Slaves Asking Permission to Go AFK or Log

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May 2012

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[Nigaltwaddlesworthiii]

I think the whole business about asking to kennel is ridiculous. Even in midday, or during a 'dinner hour' type rp I will see slaves ask to go kennel. I wish people would actually take a moment to think out of their tiny little box for a moment, and ask themselves...what is realistic?

If I asked my *cough* Jarl to go kennel and he was eating his supper, I am quite certain he'd say "No...who the hell is going to clean up my mess if you're sleeping?"

Now. Sometimes I WILL ask Ormr if I can afk. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes, I just go and he never even knows I've left. (hahaha...Sorry O)  Most times, I excuse myself (as it is the polite thing to do) if something comes up and there are those other few times, when he is the last one I think about in an emergency situation and simply just log.

Wench.. chuckles..

She is right though.. if a slave asked me to 'kennel" IC in the middle of a scene I would likely say no and might even cuff her a good one for being lazy and displeasing.. If ya have ta go OOC.. just send me a quick IM and say so.. if ya have the time Ill send you off to do some chore or errand IC... if not.. just log and go.. I can easily NPC something..

[Conall DeCuir]

I think the whole business about asking to kennel is ridiculous. Even in midday, or during a 'dinner hour' type rp I will see slaves ask to go kennel. I wish people would actually take a moment to think out of their tiny little box for a moment, and ask themselves...what is realistic?

If I asked my *cough* Jarl to go kennel and he was eating his supper, I am quite certain he'd say "No...who the hell is going to clean up my mess if you're sleeping?"

Now. Sometimes I WILL ask Ormr if I can afk. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes, I just go and he never even knows I've left. (hahaha...Sorry O)  Most times, I excuse myself (as it is the polite thing to do) if something comes up and there are those other few times, when he is the last one I think about in an emergency situation and simply just log.

Wench.. chuckles..

She is right though.. if a slave asked me to 'kennel" IC in the middle of a scene I would likely say no and might even cuff her a good one for being lazy and displeasing.. If ya have ta go OOC.. just send me a quick IM and say so.. if ya have the time Ill send you off to do some chore or errand IC... if not.. just log and go.. I can easily NPC something..

That !!

[Junea Demonia]

I do understand people not wanting to break immersion, I do, but for me personally I really don't feel that a Gorean Kajira asking to be excused from service IC to kennel feels more immersive.

I agree. I have no clue how throwing out one emote to write you out of the scene and simply put a ((gtg,rl)) at the end of it would break immersion. There is not need for anyone to answer OOC or anything like that.

Logging out of a game is perfectly OOC - and therefore it should not be required from any player that they bring it IC and ask permission - or perform any kind of IC action in order to be able to log.

[Bara Mayako]

Logging out of a game is perfectly OOC - and therefore it should not be required from any player that they bring it IC and ask permission - or perform any kind of IC action in order to be able to log.

I agree that logging out is a fully OOC action for which, certainly, permission should not be required by or for anyone.  And I have been convinced by the arguments here that asking to kennel is not a good IC alternative, as it is an illogical action for a slave to do at many, if not all, moments.  However, if time permits, there are a couple of good reasons why a player should try to extricate him/herself from a scene IC rather than just going "gtg.. poof". 

Firstly, for the other player(s) who are still present in the scene, it facilitates the continuity of their roleplay; now they don't have to figure out a reason why the 3rd or 4th person in that scene is no longer present and taking part in the RP.

And, secondly, for the player who is leaving, it facilitates his re-entry into the scene when he returns. 

Of course, for those scenes where slaves are just kneeling next to a crowd of free who are more or less ignoring them, as so often happens, I can understand why they wouldn't bother to come up with a reason, and would just say "gtg" and poof.  Otherwise their departure would probably not even have been noticed.

[Junea Demonia]

Logging out of a game is perfectly OOC - and therefore it should not be required from any player that they bring it IC and ask permission - or perform any kind of IC action in order to be able to log.

I agree that logging out is a fully OOC action for which, certainly, permission should not be required by or for anyone.  And I have been convinced by the arguments here that asking to kennel is not a good IC alternative, as it is an illogical action for a slave to do at many, if not all, moments.  However, if time permits, there are a couple of good reasons why a player should try to extricate him/herself from a scene IC rather than just going "gtg.. poof". 

Very true - and that is why I wrote this:

I agree. I have no clue how throwing out one emote to write you out of the scene and simply put a ((gtg,rl)) at the end of it would break immersion. There is not need for anyone to answer OOC or anything like that.

[Aphris Myoo]

This morning we had such a slave, semi lifestyler.

We were at the dais and he ask the present outrider if he could kennel. The outrider a pure role player did not understand, said no and ordered him to bring him some food. The Kajirus stayed, became desperate and started sending ((must to rl)) but only left after I commanded him ooc to go.

[Claude Belgar]

But I cannot stress enough, my personal business must come first and at NO time do I ever need permission or approval from anyone to exit a game.

Since when telling that you have to go is asking permission or approval ? You're just making up excuse here.

Not really Claude.  Telling the other player is the whole point.  IMO it is silly for a slave player to get in my IMs and ask if they can kennel because of RL.  As to saying a quick good bye, yep I agree, 99 percent of the time you have that couple seconds.  but what if you have child who just cut their finger?  are you telling me you would take a couple seconds to say good bye to folks you have never met while a child is screaming in your ear?  Don't think so.  The child is just one scenario, everyone decides what is an emergency for them.  If I decide I have an emergency and poof and folks get mad about it....Oh well.

I agree JF, but please read again what Shyla said : "my personal business must come first and at NO time do I ever need permission or approval from anyone to exit a game."

Let ignore that no one asked her to ask for permission or approval, and concentrate on the rest of her phrase. "Personal business" could mean anything, from a real emergency, as the one you mentioned, to "I just don't care about the others RPers". And "At no time" also strongly suggest that only her and herself concern her, not the persons she would RP with.

[Shyla Timeless]

But I cannot stress enough, my personal business must come first and at NO time do I ever need permission or approval from anyone to exit a game.

Since when telling that you have to go is asking permission or approval ? You're just making up excuse here.

Not really Claude.  Telling the other player is the whole point.  IMO it is silly for a slave player to get in my IMs and ask if they can kennel because of RL.  As to saying a quick good bye, yep I agree, 99 percent of the time you have that couple seconds.  but what if you have child who just cut their finger?  are you telling me you would take a couple seconds to say good bye to folks you have never met while a child is screaming in your ear?  Don't think so.  The child is just one scenario, everyone decides what is an emergency for them.  If I decide I have an emergency and poof and folks get mad about it....Oh well.

I agree JF, but please read again what Shyla said : "my personal business must come first and at NO time do I ever need permission or approval from anyone to exit a game."

Let ignore that no one asked her to ask for permission or approval, and concentrate on the rest of her phrase. "Personal business" could mean anything, from a real emergency, as the one you mentioned, to "I just don't care about the others RPers". And "At no time" also strongly suggest that only her and herself concern her, not the persons she would RP with.

Excuse me, Claude but you need not make assumptions about me, how I role play or how I deal with and interact with others.  The people I relate to on a daily basis KNOW the level of respect I have for them and their time.  Try reading the comments I made IN CONTEXT and keep your ignorant remarks to yourself.

And in case you missed it, the OP and question was about slaves asking permission which would necessitate approval.  NEITHER of which are required OOC.  So, YES.  I WAS asked.  And I answered.

[Xaz Elephas]

I think some slaves knowing no better, get some wrapped up in there role they play, that they carry it ooc to an unhealth level and do ask in world in a ic manner an ooc request which brought up my concern in that if a slave needs to go due to rl... asking permission in such a way as I posted, I wanted to alert them that they did not need to do that. if someone is so wrapped up into the role of a slave that they feel the need to ask permisson to leave so they can pick there kids up from school...  IMO good rl thearpy might be a option to look into.

To give a sec to my fellow rpers that I as a player much go is a curtesy that I must end the scene. In rl emergency.. if I have time I would  type sorry gtg, if I did not have the time... I wouldn't. I have had times I had to log fast. When I got the call my mom ws in ICU... I logged. Grabbed my keys, shoes and went.  She died 4 days later. When I came back I offered a reason to those why, because thats just how I am. I do not expect others to do that, its no big deal.

These are my own personl views. I don't like a slave to ask me permission to go in game or my IMs and give her the impression I hold ANY control over her rl what so ever.

[Taog Ra]

When this happens to me, I'm flattered.  Honored on a personal level may be the better choice of words.  Is it demanded or expected?  No.  A simple heads up that RL calls and switch of meter to AFK is all that should be required.  If someone drops off/out of a scene, it may be that a RL emergency or critical issue was at hand and the person on the other end either forgot in haste, or could not (again in haste) give you the heads up they had to leave.  If that happens and they don't return in what you believe is a reasonable amount of time..then emote in your own roleplay that you observe them leaving or catching them sneaking off but it's "too late" for you to pursue them... and then leave them alone.  No need to god-mode on them, no need to cry invalid or summon moderators to 'fix' something that is not broken.  Seriously, if people are not creative enough to craft up even one line of roleplay when someone has to afk or log for RL reasons and then gets upset and throws a fit that they left without asking permission first.. I have to question who is really in the wrong?

Likewise, it is the 'tradition' on text-based venues for slaves to seek permission of the Free to enter a room and join the roleplay... as well to "kennel".  It may not be your cup of tea or mine, but to slam someone for carrying on a tradition that is time-honored to them makes about as much sense as racial or gender bigotry to me on a personal level... or on the flip-side, for someone who has been "Gorean" for 10 or 15 years of online expression of that before SL was even a wet dream coming up to me and telling me that my ways aren't Gorean at all is not going to set well with me either.

I'm not trying to preach about Tolerance here, but I think if people were more capable of agreeing to disagree and moving on, about 95% of the arguments and flame wars in these discussions would never occur and intelligent conversations and debate could take place.

[Xaz Elephas]

I am sitting here watching an old black and white version of The Twlight Zone where a guy gets so into a book/script that he is sucked into it, he vanish from the real world and it becomes his reality.  Sound familar?

[Loredana Varonia]

whenever I had to leave immediately, i simply did it. when there were some minutes left, i tried to find a good ic excuse and normally succeeded

well, and in case i did not succeed, the ooc matter became urgend and required  a prompt leave of the rp 

[Aphris Myoo]

if someone is so wrapped up into the role of a slave that they feel the need to ask permisson to leave so they can pick there kids up from school...  IMO good rl thearpy might be a option to look into.

Im some cases I really believe people need that. I know people who do nothing in RL then hoping a master or mistress finds them and take care of them. People who give up jobs to see their master more in SL. People who live like night owls because their master is in another time zone. All quite unhealthy.

[Loredana Varonia]

@aphris: i now such people, too! in sl all day long ... and wonder how they can afford it financially...

[Bara Mayako]

Indeed.  The average mature adult works an 8 hour day, has perhaps a 1-hour commute there and back, plus an hour lunch break in between, and sleeps 8 hours.  Add 90 minutes for getting ready for work in the morning, eating breakfast eating dinner and getting ready for bed, and that leaves 3 1/2 hours an evening.  Even to spend all that time in SL seems to me to be a bit unhealthy.

Of course, there are exceptions, people who are handicapped and housebound, and for whom SL is their best opportunity to interact with other people, but I don't think that these make up more than relatively few of us.