Slaves and sex

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[Altea Arcana]

I am not sure where did it come from. As I'm not sure that it isn't natural. But once I started to search a slave to enchance my RP in Gor, I always met one result. Every time when I asked the slave who interested me about his/her skills, every time they claimed they are pleasure slaves. Seriously, it gets irritating. Pleasure slaves were trained hardly in the books, their training spent much time and money, and SL is just flooded with them. What's worse, these people think that all their duties lay in their owner's furs.
However, as far as I know, Free Women rarely furred with their kajiri (the silk ones were extremely rare) and practically never furred their kajirae, though often keeping them to help with the household. Where are other types of slaves? The labour girls or boys, for example? Kettle slaves or tavern slaves? State slaves? Do you think this kind of RP has such a poor interest that has no place in SL Gor at all?

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Root cause: Lack of creativity in all roles in SL Gor.

I understand the point you are making but it is very widespread in SL Gor where very little of the RP looks anything like the genre.  Why expect diversity in slave players when it is nonexistent in all other roles?  There are rarely actual professions RPd by any high caste (accountant, chemist, engineer etc.), there is practically no merchant caste once you exclude the slavers in the laughable city kennels and the peasant caste which should be the most populous component in Gor is nonexistent. Assuming this was attempted I'm not sure how more diverse slave players would be received by the majority of players that seem to believe slave RP consists of nothing more than serving food/drink and sex. 

As far as how much sex a FW would have with a kajirus, it would vary and the Jason trilogy hints at it being pretty common with those FW who acquired male slaves.  There are no scenes in the books of FW and female slaves but I can see it being as possible as male slaves serving free men which was acknowledged in the books.

[Delaynie Barbosa]

Here's a a description of a pleasure slave's duties:

"A good deal of the training of the slave girl, surprisingly, to my naive mind, was in relatively domestic matters. For example, the Pleasure Slave, if she is trained by a good house, must also be the master of those duties commonly assigned to Tower Slaves. Accordingly, they must know how to cut and sew cloth, to wash garments and clean various types of materials and surfaces, and to cook an extensive variety of foods, from the rough fare of Warriors to concoctions which are exotic almost to the point of being inedible. " -Assassin

Pleasure slaves are supossed to know how to do everything asked of them with skill, so there's a lot of room for roleplay opportunity. I'm not actually your slave, so I'm not about to stand around notecarding and roleplaying chores for you all day. That's what NLS is for, if you want to see slaves laboring all the time, make yourself an alt and have at it.

In the meantime, a great number of slaves had sexual needs... an awareness of sexuality was one of the main reasons men collared women... and then slave raped them. Here's a quote from Susan, a kennel slave in Kajira, about being so horny she couldn't stand it. This passage is being narratted by Sheila, Tatrix of Corcyris, nee Tiffany Collins, a barbarian plant from Earth, who was also consumed by thoughts of sexuality and being pleasing to men every single minute she wasn't talking about political business. 

I looked at Susan.

How chaste, how modest, how demure she seemed in her brief tunic, and collar, with her lovely face and beautiful little figure, How dainty, how exquisitel How deferential, how shyl Surely she was a woman's slave, and only that, attentive, knowledgeable, efficient, respectful and selfeffacing.
But a man such as Ligurious had bought her naked off a slave block in Cos. What a sweet, bashful girl she was.
But tonight she would dance naked for guardsmen.
"Mistress?" asked Susan.
"You do not seem distressed that tonight you will dance," I observed. Indeed, it seemed she might be looking forward to it.
"No, Mistress'," she said.
"Why?" I asked.
"Must I speak?" she asked.
"Yes," I said.
"I love men, and wish to serve them, fully," she said.
"Lewd and shameless slut!" I cried.
"I am a slave," she said. "Forgive me, Mistress. Too, I have not been given to a man in eleven days. My fingernails are bloody from scratching at the tiles in my kennel."
I shuddered. I had not thought much about where slave girls might be kept at night. To be sure, I knew that they were not wandering freely about the palace. Now, it seemed, that some, at least, might be locked in kennels. This made sense, of course, considering that, like the shameless, little slut, Susan, they were animals.
"It does not seem that the whip dance, truly, would be much of a punishment for you," I said.
"Ligurious has several women," she said. "He does not know me that well. He has had me Prily a few times, and, I have improved my skills, considerably, since then."
"He thinks, then, that it will be a terrible punishment for you?" I asked. "I would suppose so," she said. "Doubtless he expects that I will be muchly lashed."
"What is it like to be In the arms of a man such as Ligunous?" I asked, as though not much interested, really.
"He devastates a woman," she said, "turning her into a tormented, whimpering animal, and then he makes her yield to him, fully, and as a slave."
"Did you spill the wine on purpose?" I asked.
"No, Mistress," she laughed. "I did not know that Ligurious was coming to your quarters. It occurred before his arrival. Too, I know you would not be so cruel as to assign me to the whip dance. Too, the common punishment for such a clumsiness is not the uncompromising, degrading severity of the whip dance but disciplines more prosaic in their nature, such as a restriction or change in rations, close chains or, most often, a switching or whipping."
"I see," I said.
I wondered what Susan would look like, her body glistening with a sheen of sweat, twisting and writhing before men, pleasing them as a naked slave, theirs then to be exploited and used however they might wish. She seemed such an ideal woman's slave, such an efficient, bashful, modest girl, it was hard to imagine her in such a context. But she had told me that her fingernails were bloody from scratching at the tiles in her kennel. It seemed then that quiet, sweet, withdrawn, retiring: Susan actually bad sexual needs and powerful ones. These needs, too, presumably, given her appearance and curvatures, bespeaking a richness in female hormones, would be deeply feminine ones. I wondered in bow many girls like Susan there might lie a pleasure slave, waiting to be uncaged and commanded.
"I dance well," she had told me.
How startled I had been when she had said that. I bad turned away.
She had looked into my eyes, in that instant, not as a slave into the eyes of a free woman, but as one woman into the eyes of another. I had felt then, in that instant, that we were both, ultimately, only women, that we were identical in our femaleness', that we were united in the bonds of a common sisterhood and what, in relationship to men, it entailed. We were both, ultimately, only women; we were both, ultimately, though I was free and she was a slave, representatives of the slave sex.
I wondered if I, too, could dance well. I knew that if I did not, I would be lashed.
- Kajira

What we learn in this passage is that Susan, an ideal woman's slave on the outside, is still a shameless slut. ;-)  So much so that she ignites Sheilas curiosity.

As far as free women and their kajirus goes, watch out for the couching law if you live in Ar:

“You are taken into bondage,” said Tolnar, “under the couching laws of Marlenus of Ar. Any free woman who couches with, or prepares to couch with, a male slave, becomes herself a slave, and the property of the male slave´s master.” - Players

But to be fair this might only be the case when couching with a slave not your own:

Any free women who couches with another's slave, or readies herself to couch with another's slave, becomes herself a slave, and the slave of the slave's master. It is a clear law.” - Players

[Dren Bernard]

Question is why are many of the slave role players in SL Gor in the first place?
To clean chamber pots? Stoke the fire, wash the dishes and generally not be noticed by anyone (IC quite authentic of course!).
I am sure some are deeply submissive and happily live that out in this world, the others just like excitement and sex. And Gor offers that but not to the unnoticed.

Why would anyone go to a kinky SL sim and be a bystander washing sheets?
So to indicate you are NOT happy just to sit around in a kinky sim and watch others having fun, yep you play a pleasure slave.
This also means; just don't think to collar me and only fur your online GF. I rather go without a master than to have a master who is happy for me just to live the life I life at home: slave to my family, study and/or work.

[Bara Mayako]

Question is why are many of the slave role players in SL Gor in the first place?
To clean chamber pots? Stoke the fire, wash the dishes and generally not be noticed by anyone (IC quite authentic of course!).
I am sure some are deeply submissive and happily live that out in this world, the others just like excitement and sex. And Gor offers that but not to the unnoticed.

Why would anyone go to a kinky SL sim and be a bystander washing sheets?
So to indicate you are NOT happy just to sit around in a kinky sim and watch others having fun, yep you play a pleasure slave.
This also means; just don't think to collar me and only fur your online GF. I rather go without a master than to have a master who is happy for me just to live the life I life at home: slave to my family, study and/or work.

Bara Mayako stands up and gives Dren a standing ovation

[thyri Carver]

In the end phases of my character's slavery before her "descent into freedom" I played her as a work slave.

She Rped out doing "chores", on a work gang, NPCed out a whipmaster of the work gang etc.  I found it an incredibly fufilling RP experience personally, however I also spent 95% of my RP time in solo RP.  VERY few people noticed that type of RP simply because it wasnt fuckin n fightin. 

I suppose I pick the "odd" roles in Gor.  Work slaves, frigid FW.... gah what's my SL existance coming to  LMAO

[Violetta Daviau]

I think the overly high number of pleasure slaves in comparison to work slaves is that people enjoy mostly sex (and battle but that is for the free anyways) and cannot imagine to have fun of playing chores together. Well and nearly every slave wants to be the special one, often with some RL D/s wishes mixed in.
It is a bit similar as in the conclusions drawn in this thread: http://www.gor-sl.com/index.php/topic,9715.0.html

When I had become slave lately, I actually did want to become a work slave, a low slave that is also sold and gifted away on Gorean terms. I would play chores, just not NC them for the free - because I know that everyone so far who really played chores with me (and those plays lasted between 2-8 hours!) had a lot of fun, enjoyed them deeply, even those all others had told me beforehand to not play with due to being pew pew only.

The only thing I would have hated OOC would be to become a breeding slave (although threatening me with it would been ok) because I would hate to play pregnancies meanwhile, and to become a paga girl, which is about the most dull role for a slave as I see it - most free come with their own princesses anyways to let them serve and the paga girl gets excluded in her own tavern - which she often enough cannot even leave without being frowned upon... it could be that another newb enters and needs her paga serve skills in the end, and it would leave a bad light on the tavern if the paga girls wander about... is how some appear to be made feel.

[Violetta Daviau]

In the end phases of my character's slavery before her "descent into freedom" I played her as a work slave.

She Rped out doing "chores", on a work gang, NPCed out a whipmaster of the work gang etc.  I found it an incredibly fufilling RP experience personally, however I also spent 95% of my RP time in solo RP.  VERY few people noticed that type of RP simply because it wasnt fuckin n fightin. 

I suppose I pick the "odd" roles in Gor.  Work slaves, frigid FW.... gah what's my SL existance coming to  LMAO

<3 <3 <3

My type of player!!!

[Carter Ebbage]

Dren hit the nail on the head...

 why do a large proportion of women come to be slaves in SL GOR ?.. it isnt to role play a wall flower undertaking menial tasks and it isnt primarily because they enjoy role play environments.. for many its a sexual or BDSM relationship experience  all wrapped up in a role play package.

I am sure the same can be said for the vast majority of men too...

[Bara Mayako]

I found it an incredibly fufilling RP experience personally, however I also spent 95% of my RP time in solo RP.  VERY few people noticed that type of RP

No disrespect meant, but I would find it incredibly unfulfilling to spend 95% of my time talking to no one but myself and with no one at all acknowledging what I did (and I wouldn't NC either).  But if it works for you that's fine.

I would play chores, just not NC them for the free - because I know that everyone so far who really played chores with me (and those plays lasted between 2-8 hours!) had a lot of fun, enjoyed them deeply,

You've proven yourself to be a very talented RP'er and I am not surprised that you can manage to frequently find people to engage with in such circumstances.  Some of us have not yet acquired your level of skill, or reputation.  And others don't have the dedication to the genre you do.  Perhaps you could share tips on how you are able to get people to engage for 2-8 hours with you on mundane tasks (I particularly, unfortunately, rarely have an opportunity or desire to even stay logged on to SL for 8 hours). 

[Violetta Daviau]

You've proven yourself to be a very talented RP'er and I am not surprised that you can manage to frequently find people to engage with in such circumstances.  Some of us have not yet acquired your level of skill, or reputation.  And others don't have the dedication to the genre you do.  Perhaps you could share tips on how you are able to get people to engage for 2-8 hours with you on mundane tasks (I particularly, unfortunately, rarely have an opportunity or desire to even stay logged on to SL for 8 hours).

Thank you for the compliment. I have made 3 RP classes about such. IM me ingame and I will forward them of course.

Else, in short: Be a complete person, be aware of your surroundings (sim layout, builds, your avatar's looks, the other avatar's looks), imagine what all is needed to full fill a task (crafting a slave kurt for example, what all is needed?), get the ingredients, prepare them, craft... and do not do it alone but with another, and do something aside of it, e.g. talking about the priest kings or about how sexy this one new lieutenant of the red caste is... but do it all Gorean, give each other the feeling of being in Gor, Free and Slaves is much easier in that aspect as the free can e.g. put the slave under constant fear of doing a mistake, of being the worthless part of the two working persons and so on. Free and free can plan their day's hunts or the scribery works that are yet to be done in talks and so on.

[Shikhandi Panthar]

for many its a sexual or BDSM relationship experience  all wrapped up in a role play package.

I am sure the same can be said for the vast majority of men too...

This! This, of course! This one thousand times!

Obviously people by and large use SL mostly as a gaming and as a dating / sexing platform. And Gor is no exception in this regard, although these two goals are sometimes conflicting and, symptomatically, there is a constant entanglement between IC and OOC all over the place. It's a venue where you can both cyber and have a rich RP environment around it. But let's be honest: kinky dating and pixelling is at the core of this experience and that is doubtless what most people are here for. By the way, Norman's novels are exactly about the same thing: providing an imaginary setting for erotic literature as well as for real sexual role-play (re-read Imaginative Sex on that topic).

As a result, the RP might suffer a bit from this hard fact. Some roles are overplayed while others have very little appeal (think of the utterly underplayed Initiates for instance: only a "perverted" Initiate, who would get to shag behind closed doors would sound interesting to most, and I definitely include myself in there).

So if you feel annoyed you have no one to wash the shitter, just NPC that...

[Husam Darkfire]

Dren hit the nail on the head...

 why do a large proportion of women come to be slaves in SL GOR ?.. it isnt to role play a wall flower undertaking menial tasks and it isnt primarily because they enjoy role play environments.. for many its a sexual or BDSM relationship experience  all wrapped up in a role play package.

I am sure the same can be said for the vast majority of men too...

*points a thumb to his chest "Guess I'm in the minority class then"

[Bara Mayako]

Dren hit the nail on the head...

 why do a large proportion of women come to be slaves in SL GOR ?.. it isnt to role play a wall flower undertaking menial tasks and it isnt primarily because they enjoy role play environments.. for many its a sexual or BDSM relationship experience  all wrapped up in a role play package.

I am sure the same can be said for the vast majority of men too...

*points a thumb to his chest "Guess I'm in the minority class then"

Does this mean you enjoy cleaning the shitter?

[Conall DeCuir]

Dren hit the nail on the head...

 why do a large proportion of women come to be slaves in SL GOR ?.. it isnt to role play a wall flower undertaking menial tasks and it isnt primarily because they enjoy role play environments.. for many its a sexual or BDSM relationship experience  all wrapped up in a role play package.

I am sure the same can be said for the vast majority of men too...

*points a thumb to his chest "Guess I'm in the minority class then"

*sits down next to Husam