Permanently naked kajirae

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[Violetta Daviau]

Greetings all,

since being in a city now myself, I would like to ask a question that interested me a long time by now.

Why are so many kajirae in SL so often and publicly naked?

I would like to focus the discussion about two areas, territorically seen:
- Streets and other public places
- Taverns

While taverns, I think, are pretty easily explained: it is the decision of the proprietor, and it is also written that slaves there often are naked. But it is also written in the book Hunters of Gor that they often appear like uniformed in yellow silks (with some other colors explained for different single taverns in the other books).
My point in this aspect so is rather OOC: Isn't it boring over time to have them naked in the taverns? There are so many nice silk sets out there, and a bit more cover increases the IC imagination, the erotic of the scene as I see it. And having paga slaves at least in one color that distincts them from the other kajirae out there, e.g. yellow, would also be a interesting, and maybe BTB, aspect, no?

On streets I always thought that slaves are usually clothed, also in respect to the FWs, only in times of punishment they might be sent out naked (without respect to the FW, so punishment of slaves goes over respect for FW). What I think I have read is that kajirae are most commonly naked in the homes of men, but dress up if they go out, or even if the master accepts a guest. Permanent nudity in the public would certainly be offending BTB for FWs a lot. Yet the extend we see in SL makes it that no one really plays the disdain anymore, and also the aspect of punishment, the embarassment of the slavegirl of being publicly displayed like that, gets lost somehow.

[Delaynie Barbosa]

They were also commonly dressed in just bina or a slip of silk. not silks, not dancing silks, not display silks.  just a slip of silk. or diaphorous silk, which is basically see-through silky satin. It's not too far a stretch to imagine that some slaves, paga slaves in particular, might be permanently naked, since they are pretty much naked to begin with. 

PS - I love those silks, yellow is hard to find. Mind sharing where you got them?

[Violetta Daviau]

those are from Roawenwood, Delaynie, they have also other nice ones and I used to buy a set from that shop, in yellow, for my paga girls back then...

[severus koskinen]

You have managed to hit one of my two wtf?  when it comes to slaves in Gor...  I never usualy do long posts but I do at least one long one a year.. so here it is..

I have noticed naked slaves allot more over the years, and  I have noticed my tastes change, I actually find clothed girls more attractive, not sure if it is an age thing but it gives me more to imagine with and enjoy. I like to see a girl with her hair up slightly, styled hair I can imagine gripping, silks that cover but also enhance their beauty, like a wrapped present.

Even my own girl I tell her to cover her nipples as I enjoy leaving a little to the imagination. Perhaps that is the wrong way to phrase it, I prefer her to look enticing rather than desperate to be noticed.

I would like to hear what the girls think as I know we have no child avatars on Gor but if it were real, would the general public not be annoyed if they were surrounded by naked slaves bending over in front of their children? Would women not be offended if they were sitting enjoying a cup of tea and a slut started to sit in front of her naked? A few years ago the woman I knew would beat a slave for daring to talk to her while naked...and smelling of sex.
Is it because most fw have naked slave alts? Do you think it affects their rp in some way?
If free woman started chastising slaves instead of treating them like cute kittens would they soon cover up?

I know nudity is not such a big thing on Gor perhaps that is the reason?
I can understand paga dens; slave blocks...even certain cities where it is a bit rougher. Even for punishment seeing the odd slave naked would be tantalising but if over 60% are always completely naked it takes the novelty out of it, now I think. Oh look there is a clothed slave how nice! 

Paga dens I can understand, in some ways it is like walking into a brothel and perhaps that area of town would be considered a bit red light, but other areas of town would be considered offensive slightly.  The other day I noticed three naked slaves sitting outside a womans tea room ready to serve the ladies.. Also can someone explain the prolific use of tattoos and things that twinkle?

Don’t get me wrong I like nudity but it’s like walking down the high street late on a weekend and seeing cheap girls with see through tops and belts for skirts, and that weird plastic Barbie hair and about 10 layers of makeup it actually makes them less appealing than the classy sexy girls, in fact I have actually found some of them repulsive.. Guys help me out here tell them to just look human!

NOT MY CUP OF COFFEE



Again perhaps it’s an age thing on my part, now I’m in my thirties ... late thirties cough. .. I find girls with fake tan and 10 layers of makeup ugly



MUCH MORE PREFERABLE




My second irritation and its not a big one. Ii is a little off topic so feel free to skip this..

 I do get comments that the slave I have stands allot when people talk to her or she is doing something.. . Another Gor misconception that seems to survive through the years, girls did kneel to serve or beg or for many reasons, generally they did not sit on their knees all day or as soon as a free talked to them or passed them in the street.  I swear I walk througha street and just see kneeling slaves.. even in the winter! Can you imagine how rough their knees would be if they did that?  So if you are someone that asks me why.. here is the reason..



Also try having a conversation with someone while they are on their knees.. and you are standing in rl It’s not as easy as it looks if you are over 6 ft 3”. I remember I tried it once in rl and it went something like this and just so you know Im not some dom in rl I had my hands bandaged for a fight and she was doing up the laces on my boots

“Can you get me a quick drink”
Girl “What did you say”
Me shouts “Get me a drink?”
She shouts from her face near my knee  “What would you like?”
Me shouts “Coffee”
Girl stands up and reaches my shoulder “Oh that’s so awkward , you can’t hear me down there let me get up!“
*she stands up*
"Ok what did you say?"
me "A drink from that coffee machine over there"
girl "Ah ok"

On another day my wife was scrubbing the hall with some shake n vac and I tripped over her, surely there must be allot of accidents with slaves sitting in the middle of roads.. No win no fee lawyers would have a field day 

[Xaz Elephas]

I was going to post pretty much just what Serverus did. I don't think in the 3 years I have owned Mira that outside my tent she has ever been naked. Clothed girls are by far more desireable. Keep nudity in the Paga Dens. Cover yourself else where.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

If playing as a slave I tend to dress in draping and diaphanous garments to simulate slave silks (not dancing silks) or silk tunics and I usually play out asking my owner for permission to dress to his tastes since it can be fun RP even when I have forgotten that fact.  http://www.gor-sl.com/index.php/topic,8265.0.html
Clothing can add a lot to RP and than can even include a cloak covering you from head to toe.  In the streets and other public places it would not be be the general rule to be nude but it would also not be odd to see a naked slave:

For example, when we had passed by various open-air markets, shelf markets, and such, many of the girls, nude in their chains, usually fastened by the neck or ankle to heavy iron rings, had clearly, to the fury of Phoebe, in posings, and by means of subtle glances, and such, attempted to call themselves to the attention of the young warrior. (Magicians of Gor)

Clothing, too, it might be mentioned, like food, is a useful instrument in controlling the girl. Few girls, for example, enjoy being sent nude to the market, to do shopping. (Slave Girl of Gor)

Sometimes a slave must go about naked in public, save for her collar. This is usually done as a punishment. On the whole, I do not approve of nudity in public, at least for private slaves, of either the bare-breasted or fully stripped variety, as it increases the risks, considerably, that the slave will be accosted, or even stolen. It is not unusual, however, for coffled women to be kept naked, for example, being marched between cities, or being brought into a city, as displayed merchandise. (Magicians of Gor) ~ The bold is Tarl's opinion
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It is not unusual, however, for coffled women to be kept naked, for example, being marched between cities, or being brought into a city, as displayed merchandise. In such an arrangement it would be extremely unlikely a given woman could be stolen, and she will be kept under perfect control. Women are seldom allowed clothing, of course, in a slaver’s house, either in their work, or in their cells, cages, kennels or pits. And, of course, women are always displayed naked and sold naked. Only a fool, as it is said, would buy a woman clothed. Most private slaves have a standing permission to clothe themselves, but some masters require the girl to request this permission every morning. (Magicians of Gor)

The dressing of slaves, incidentally, is an interesting and intricate pastime. The slave is almost never totally nude. Her body is marked almost always with some token of her condition, which is bond. This is usually a collar, but it may also be an anklet, sometimes belled, or a bracelet. Her brand, of course, fixed in her very flesh, deep and lovely, is always worn. There is no mistaking it. The iron has seen to that. Beyond these things, much depends on the individual girl and on her particular master of the time. Individual taste is here supreme. To be sure, there are natural congruences and proprieties which are generally observed. For example, although one may see a girl in the streets, naked save for, say, her brand and collar, or a bit of chain, this is not common. This sort of thing is done, usually, only as a discipline. Free women tend to object, for the eyes of their companions tend almost inadvertently to stray to the exposed flesh of such girls. (Guardsmen of Gor)

In taverns it would be up to the tavern owner and it could vary.  Often a signature colored silk (not just yellow) is used since the girls are also a form of marketing and advertisement.  In lower taverns the slaves might be nude.  Dancing slaves would be dressed in dance silks or perform nude in the sand.

“Paga!” called the standing man. “Paga!” A blond girl, nude, with a string of pearls wound about her steel collar, ran to the table and, from the bronze vessel, on its strap, about her shoulder, poured paga into the goblet before the seated man. (Rogue of Gor)

I supposed there was little in Victoria that was not known to its nude or half-clad tavern slaves. Such girls, in spite of their collars, often know more of what transpires in a town or city than many free folk. (Rogue of Gor)

The Sa-eela, usually performed in the nude, as though by a low slave, and by a girl freed of all impediments, except her collar, is one of the most powerful of the slave dances of Gor. (Guardsmen of Gor)

[Passion Quintessa]

Where I play I do not see that many naked slave girls.  I have been naked on occasion, but rarely outside of Passion's owner's home.  And when outside of there, there is a specific reason.

Does this disturbance of naked flesh include breasts as well?

I know that it doesn't bother me one bit.  I imagine that there are quite a few naked slaves running around a city for whatever reason or other.

In fact... a big question in my mind, does anyone know why the slave is naked? Are they just on their own or did their owner tell them to be for whatever reason...

What also might be interesting, if there is a naked slave or slaves running rampant in your city, maybe there can be some interaction or comment to the owners.

Maybe rp the disturbance of naked slave flesh in Gor.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Where I play I do not see that many naked slave girls.  I have been naked on occasion, but rarely outside of Passion's owner's home.  And when outside of there, there is a specific reason.

Does this disturbance of naked flesh include breasts as well?

I know that it doesn't bother me one bit.  I imagine that there are quite a few naked slaves running around a city for whatever reason or other.

In fact... a big question in my mind, does anyone know why the slave is naked? Are they just on their own or did their owner tell them to be for whatever reason...

What also might be interesting, if there is a naked slave or slaves running rampant in your city, maybe there can be some interaction or comment to the owners.

Maybe rp the disturbance of naked slave flesh in Gor.

Your post reminded me of this picture of us in cloaks. LOL.

[severus koskinen]

I do tend to ask slaves if they are naked what they did to be stripped of cloth.

I was once messaged by a girl as she did not like the fact I asked ic on her being naked, I think the only reason I mentioned it was due to the fact she was in a public place that free women frequented the bakery in Cos.
In fact she took offense to it. I was told (I like being naked so dont comment on it unless you want to take me away for some private rp   )

She left shortly after a free woman said that she was obviously being punished for eating too many sweet buns and that her silks must all be waiting to be re-adjusted. 

The only time I find it very strange is when there is snow on a sim and there are naked slaves kneeling in the snow...   

[thyri Carver]

I think sometimes the naked slave conundrum is partially laziness.  Why put those pixel clothes back on if you're just expecting them to get ripped off again. 

Also naked slave tends to bring more RP than the clothed ones.  Asking why they're naked, insulting FW etc.  Clothed RP tends to not lead to RP as much.

When I see the naked ones running around, I'll ask them why they're naked and usually send them off to get their butts covered.

When I RPed as a slave.... I dont think thyri was EVER naked.  I cant remember a time that she was.  Unless she was having sex... I just cannot think of a time she was naked.  Heck I cant think of a time she was ever showing off breasts.  She was dressed pretty modestly.   I have some camisks from Haven that I LOVE that dont show boobage and i think are pretty damned sexy.  Also the tunics from ViGo, I cant get enough of those.  I love them so much I bought one for my girl.  She and I usually compare camisk collections before I get her something that I want her to wear.  I'll show her something and if she likes it, I'll get it for her.

[Poisonous Adored]

When I played a slave, I said to my partner: "There are too much nice slave clothing I can buy, I love shopping, if you want my pixels naked, do it with a serious purpose as punishment, else, I want to enjoy my pretty camisks and have an avi looking good on my screen!" As he trusted my good taste, he has never imposed me his choices.

Oh, and please, women (playing free or slave), understand that your big boobs look really bad, with the SL pixels...

And as FW, when I meet in my RP, a naked slave... Oh, poor her!  

[Garrgon Resident]

I might get slapped for this comment, but here goes.

I think the women (in general) that run around naked do it because they can't in RL. That's either because they're just too reserved to go to a nudist beach, or maybe because they have poor self esteem. There's got to be a measure of freedom in it for a more reserved personality. Or maybe they're just very proud of the avatar they built. Or maybe, for the first time in their life, they're skinny. Or curvy. Or tall. Or short. Or they just feel sexy in their avatar. Either way, I doubt it has much roleplay reason unless they're either misinformed, poorly ordered by their owner, or being punished.

To me, it just screams "LOOK AT ME!" especially if it's followed up by an IM telling you to not give her shit over it cause she likes to be naked.

[Passion Quintessa]

I might get slapped for this comment, but here goes.

I think the women (in general) that run around naked do it because they can't in RL. That's either because they're just too reserved to go to a nudist beach, or maybe because they have poor self esteem. There's got to be a measure of freedom in it for a more reserved personality. Or maybe they're just very proud of the avatar they built. Or maybe, for the first time in their life, they're skinny. Or curvy. Or tall. Or short. Or they just feel sexy in their avatar. Either way, I doubt it has much roleplay reason unless they're either misinformed, poorly ordered by their owner, or being punished.

To me, it just screams "LOOK AT ME!" especially if it's followed up by an IM telling you to not give her shit over it cause she likes to be naked.

There are tons of places in SL where a person can run around naked.  Even virtual nudist beaches.  That particular slave in the ims...well... obviously she was not rping which was a problem and I would have just moved on.  I would not think that it is indicative of why slaves are naked in Gorean rp.

I primarily play a slave.  Dabbled in FWomanhood, but would be on my knees in a second.  So I just play a slave.

Some slave rp!

She is on punishment.

She is a coin girl.

Her clothing was stolen.

She was just raped and ravished.

A strong wind just...

Or some other Gorean reason and not because she is too lazy to put on silks, or she wants attention or..or..in rl she does not look like that.  Gosh, that was down right offensive Garrgon.  Is that why your avie looks the way it does?  Or the big buff Scarlet guy, or the uber fearsome Black Caste guy looks like they do, because they want to look like that in rl?  Or the elegant busty Free Woman in flowing skirts and spiked heeled boots, she want to look that way real life?

Can't a slave be rping as well?

And it is not outside of the Gorean theme....not even a little bit that there is some naked slave girl somewhere. 


The slave state is fully rpable in Gor.  Our state of nakedness, our wretchedness, happiness and our fears. 

[Passion Quintessa]

Where I play I do not see that many naked slave girls.  I have been naked on occasion, but rarely outside of Passion's owner's home.  And when outside of there, there is a specific reason.

Does this disturbance of naked flesh include breasts as well?

I know that it doesn't bother me one bit.  I imagine that there are quite a few naked slaves running around a city for whatever reason or other.

In fact... a big question in my mind, does anyone know why the slave is naked? Are they just on their own or did their owner tell them to be for whatever reason...

What also might be interesting, if there is a naked slave or slaves running rampant in your city, maybe there can be some interaction or comment to the owners.

Maybe rp the disturbance of naked slave flesh in Gor.

Your post reminded me of this picture of us in cloaks. LOL.

haha, yes funny, all dressed up

[Bara Mayako]

Many women, my self included, are so self-conscious about our bodies, that no matter how attractive we might look to others, we only see our own flaws.  We care about our appearance and choose our clothes, hair, makeup, accessories all to make ourselves more attractive to ourselves (might disappoint the boys, but in the first instance, we dress for ourselves, not for them).  Even when I think I have done my best to make my avatar as attractive as possible, naked, I always see others which I think are better.  It is perhaps just my quirk, but my IC/OOC crossover is that I sometimes felt embarassed when my avi was forced to go naked.  Given the choice, I would never willingly show up in public naked.  Luckily, I have learned to separate my IC and OOC about that, but still I would not do it to show off my body.