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[Rhylee Resident]

Point being why do you need that elitist group tag to prove that you fit within that elite group? Getting out, getting involved and actually RPing your way through SL Gor will get that accomplished. Group tags are meaningless, for the price of 100 linden, I can create a group and make any label for myself that I wish to have. Words are cheap. And opinions? We all have them.

I enjoy indepth roleplay with people that can and will put forth just as much effort as I do. Doesn't mean I won't trade one lines with someone that enjoys that style. Who sets the standard for what is elite? Who is to say what is Authentic?

One person or a select few people, posting a list of rules for everyone else to abide by just to be called "Authentic", does not make it legit.

[steamyraj]

Adds one more time...It is a game. We are here for our amusement and fun. 

 Very well said.... Thank you so much for this statement...

[Tertionus]

Point being why do you need that elitist group tag to prove that you fit within that elite group?

I don't. But you gave me it anyway. See my point?

[Delaynie Barbosa]

Just seems to me like this is another instance of people taking the fun out of the "game". Yes, it is a game. We log on for our amusement, to spend time with friends and have some roleplay.

When labels are continually tossed around, when a -select- group of people join together laying out rules and expectations, typically it becomes nothing more than an elitist type group. Just one more set of fingers to point at those that don't meet their standard for whatever reason.

Sorry, not trying undermind anyones creative idea, I am just saying...Xaz is correct. Get out there, RP, have fun and STOP with the over serious stuff.

Adds one more time...It is a game. We are here for our amusement and fun. 

Yep, we're here for amusement and fun. A lot of which seems to have slowed since the closing of Clearchus, at least, that is when I noticed things slowing down. More people need to get out and roleplay, but where is the roleplay in these slow times? Well, Eela's group addresses that question. There's a lot of benefits for this group, one of which the people involved are roleplayers and enjoy quality roleplay.  Think about Xaz's ship travel roleplays too. I don't see why that concept can't fit into Eela's. It would be another place Xaz could post those events, and he would be targeting people looking for good roleplay. This group is an addition, not a subtraction, to the roleplay community. Okay, specifically ROLEPLAY. Not lifestylers, not people who have sims closed down to their groups and friends only. But real, honest to goodness roleplay. The next person who throws the word "elistist" around with this group is gonna get bitch-slapped.  All of you are mean-spirited and just plain assholes for saying this isn't going to work and listing all the reasons why.  All of you are roleplayers, it is YOU who make up this group, but instead of being like, "oh yeah, okay, I'd love more intersim conflict and get everyone's rules up to date by giving my input as part of the community," you're all just like yeah, go roleplay. but once again I ask, where is the roleplay? Could join Eela's group and find out, but yeah, nevermind, it's not going to work; all of you have already made up your minds it won't. But if anyone has a better idea for bringing roleplayers together and promoting roleplay as a community, thus creating a foundation to bring back more roleplay and help our community grow, I'd love to hear it.

[Rhylee Resident]

Resorting to name calling?

Again, when something in this venue brings a person to that point, the fun and amusement leave.

I will end my input on the subject after saying this : The OP has an idea, I wish her the best of luck in executing this said idea. I will not, however, encourage it or take part in it. I have been in SL Gor for a very long time. I have learned the best way to find a sim and a group the fits -you- is trial and error. Sure, we might visit a specific location due to word of mouth, but ultimately we will choose to stay or leave based off of our personal experience on that sim. Just takes some of the fun out of exploring.

So, good luck with your group, from the moment the name calling started...I was done with this thread.

[Garrgon Resident]

Calling people elitists could have been construed as name-calling too Rhylee. I'm not condoning the insult at all that was thrown at you, but I'm also not shocked to see it when you came in yelling "ELITISTS!"

Some will see the benefits in this, some won't. To the ones that do, have fun with it. To the ones that don't, have fun without it. But getting all aggro about it is really odd to me. If you don't like it, just say that respectfully or give them some constructive criticism. Anything you post on a forum like this should really be a way to further the discussion, not to insult people. Eela pointed out on another forum a few posts that she may or may not have agreed with, but respected because they were delivered with respect and to further the discussion.

In other words, people tend to listen to what you say more when you say it respectfully, and tend to care little when all you want to do is jam a pencil in their eye.

[steamyraj]

I'm so sorry for my little knowledge.. but where can i find thread or rules on these labels...

1. what is it to qualify to be BTB
2. what is it to qualify to be GE
3. What it is to be a Gorean RP ( both RP or BTB)

I find this topic very interesting so please can someone really help me with above 3 points and in the end i would like to understand the RP based on fiction... Thank you!!!

PS: don't pick words in my post and reply...

[Garrgon Resident]

Steam, I started another topic for you to not derail this one. I answered in there.

http://www.gor-sl.com/index.php/topic,10278.0.html

[Revenge Sempati]

Just seems to me like this is another instance of people taking the fun out of the "game". Yes, it is a game. We log on for our amusement, to spend time with friends and have some roleplay.

When labels are continually tossed around, when a -select- group of people join together laying out rules and expectations, typically it becomes nothing more than an elitist type group. Just one more set of fingers to point at those that don't meet their standard for whatever reason.

Sorry, not trying undermind anyones creative idea, I am just saying...Xaz is correct. Get out there, RP, have fun and STOP with the over serious stuff.

Adds one more time...It is a game. We are here for our amusement and fun. 

First, yes I support Eela's general idea which I do not see as a labeling attempt but a marketing/promotional attempt to drive role play amongst sim owners or players that have a similar view (but not identical) of Gorean role play.  The so called "rules and expectations" listed are rather broad scope and have absolutely nothing to do with limiting or ruining anyones Gorean experience.  Unless of course you are the type that gets your fun and amusement running around sims with faerie wings, swords and constantly play gestures or other OOC nonsense.

While I do not consider myself an elitist, I am sure others might, but I do see myself as someone that has certain expectations of my time in Gor.  I do not demand others meet my expectations however I am not going to lower mine to fit in and make myself more unhappy with SL Gor than I already am.

As for sim hopping trial and error.  Yes, that is one method and from my experience, it is a waste of my time.  I have traveled to a lot of sim by just searching and going there, vast majority of the time sims are either empty during my time slots, or are filled with people and role play that makes me grate my teeth.  I admit, I am picky about what I want from Gor but I am also very open minded to new or different things that might enhance or adjust my views.

Anything that might help me find places to play and travel in order to get role play I with enjoy and have fun with is a good thing.  It will not be for everyone, but neither is dealing with giggly emo-tweakers that think great RP is taking a shit on a table (it has happened enough over the years I wonder what the fetish or thrill is).

[Xaz Elephas]

I'm so sorry for my little knowledge.. but where can i find thread or rules on these labels...

1. what is it to qualify to be BTB
2. what is it to qualify to be GE
3. What it is to be a Gorean RP ( both RP or BTB)

I find this topic very interesting so please can someone really help me with above 3 points and in the end i would like to understand the RP based on fiction... Thank you!!!

PS: don't pick words in my post and reply...

You can always start a new thread to ask! I think that would be a good topic discussion

[Garrgon Resident]

*points up* I started it for him rather then answer him privately or derail the topic.

[steamyraj]

No offense to anyone's idea... i just fail to understand when you (including me) have no perfect definition of BTB or GE then how can a community can be created based on labels. Who will be in a "council" and who will decide that "this is Gorean RP".... ( i'm so glad that this is "forum" not a like minded people)

This is again what i fail to understand that why some particular efforts are soooo backed up and some are just been ignored and oper were crashed to death... in open forum...

Does it mean.. if i want to make my idea successful.. create alts and call all my buddies... " support me and whosoever goes against me.. just pick a word based on best of your knowledge and kill the person's thought so that they give up".... that's what happend... (then sudden revolution in the forum that we need change," Hail the "smooth talker" we love you and we need light" we need nlah blah but are we ready for change??? NOPE, unless you have 5 fine users of this forum... Vote counts... so better work on forum hackers..  it's my opinion.. so kill me in your Pararp or meter... i will laugh and sleep tight...) now be my grandpa or grnadma... but give me advice which i can carry forward in 22nd century not that which die in 20th itself.

When the very first reply was posted mentioning "what is BTB and who will it be to defined"... noone answers... but when people started saying they are tired of monopoly and tired to be told what is what then this thread became so HOT as everyone has to prove their intellectual power on GOR...

Let me "Rail" the Topic... No, i can't because I'm not Oper.

 1. Do we need a new label ( when noone can actually define any given label earlier no i don't agree as I find GE ( (God knows what you mean by that) (as they "action" Gorean rather discussing and sipping... and say.. Alas... i don't like that person as he only 347 hairs, he is not Gorean as all Gorean have 468 hair on their head. What GE will do... 3 simple role... check if it has hair, do you like it, yes take it. you don't like it, leave it)
 2. I'm looking at "specific" RP with "XYZ" conditions... "whispers IM me" LOL
 3. It should be "BTB" or "GE" in "OUR" eyes.... ( i can't stop shouting and i won't die if i don't drink tea as i walk more then i sit on my chair watching my computer screen) "I'm sure you're getting me.. slowly i will be a "Gor-sl"  regular user.. just need time... and i can be very bad.. trust me.. "

Shoot... Missed.... some.. bow pew pew because of my this mouth pew pew...

Thank you... !!!

PS: I don't have any wish to attack personally... i will do my best... but... at last... I'm Gorean in my point of view... .....
 

[Elle Couerblanc]

Isn't the point of the list to focus on sims that have clear rules that are IC only and do not filter into OOC? For example, slaves are not required to do any sort of extra activites like checking in via group chat or use a correct greeting order, etc. Defining "quality RP" or even labeling "the list" is subjective and I didn't think was a selling feature of joining up. 

BTW I am not really into this idea simply because I have been in SL long enough to know "lists" sometimes equate DRAMZZZZ LOL.  The concept is great but SLers tend to get emo butthurt easy if they dont make some LIST!

[Garrgon Resident]

That's what I get for doing something nice.

Steam, if you'd read the thread I made for you, you'd see that both BTB and GE do have definitions and everyone, yes everyone, can agree that BTB does not have female fighters and GE does. That is the number one key deciding factor in both types of Gor.

And...

You're missing the whole point of what Eela wants to do. They're not out to create a new label. They're not trying to disregard the rest of Gor. They're saying: If you like -this particular- type of rp...if these 5 guidelines are what you want in a sim...then we have a list of suggestions for you.

That means that this will -not- appeal to some, maybe even a lot, of people. She's fine with that. She's not telling you "This is how Gor is to be played. Fall in line or be a loser." She's just trying to get like-minded roleplayers together.

There is a sea of sims out there. More then we could ever need. There's nothing wrong with offering a way to cut through some of them and get to what -some roleplayers- really want.

Having said that, I kind of agree with Yay that the word "Authentic" is probably the biggest problem in the whole thing. I think it puts people off. But what's done is done and if Eela wants to change that, she will. It doesn't change what the group is for and that she still isn't trying to tell everyone how to play their Gor.

[steamyraj]

That's what I get for doing something nice.

Steam, if you'd read the thread I made for you, you'd see that both BTB and GE do have definitions and everyone, yes everyone, can agree that BTB does not have female fighters and GE does. That is the number one key deciding factor in both types of Gor.

And...

You're missing the whole point of what Eela wants to do. They're not out to create a new label. They're not trying to disregard the rest of Gor. They're saying: If you like -this particular- type of rp...if these 5 guidelines are what you want in a sim...then we have a list of suggestions for you.

That means that this will -not- appeal to some, maybe even a lot, of people. She's fine with that. She's not telling you "This is how Gor is to be played. Fall in line or be a loser." She's just trying to get like-minded roleplayers together.

There is a sea of sims out there. More then we could ever need. There's nothing wrong with offering a way to cut through some of them and get to what -some roleplayers- really want.

Having said that, I kind of agree with Yay that the word "Authentic" is probably the biggest problem in the whole thing. I think it puts people off. But what's done is done and if Eela wants to change that, she will. It doesn't change what the group is for and that she still isn't trying to tell everyone how to play their Gor.

Sorry Garrgon... I was not supposed to post this after your help ( i know you created a thread for me ) but it was opened in another tab (yeah i do open many tabs on thread on not to miss it) so while closing all windows it pops and i said yes in hurry.... so please accept my apology and ignore my last post in thread and Thank you for the thread.,.....