I need your help! For BTB Panther Girls...

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[Violetta Daviau]

Hi all,

I need your help, please.

The fight for BTB panther girls to be accepted throughout BTB Gor if fullfilling certain conditions I cannot yet give up totally. But I have an issue: While I support fully what I found out in the questionaires, especially the wish by the BTB community that panther girls play more group internal as well, that last is precisely a point I am struggling with a bit.

What I know so far as possibility is...

• Hunting - Going out to hunt imaginary animals, Verr, Vulo, Tarsk, Tabuk, Forest Panther, eventually Bosk and other animals, also collecting/gathering food in plant form, herbs for tea and medications and so on
• Crafting - From gutting hunted animals, preparing the meat to sustain, making e.g. bow strings from the tendons, tools from the bones, using the gutt juices for tanning, preparing hides and furs, stitching panther clothes, crafting soap, ropes, flintstone tools, binas, wood carvings, basket making, arrow fletching, aquireing ingredients for all that, repairing huts and so on
• Mutual care - Healing (by the healer of the band if available), vanity care as possible, cooking
• Moondances - not much needed to explain. We had them last 6h about already, but no daily event
• Camp Fire - Sitting together and planning, joking, eating/drinking, telling stories, degrading slaves, mocking men in absence
• Slaves - Making them work, surveil them while working and inspecting the results

Then I need also other interaction plays with other kinds of groups...

• Trading - Trading for all kinds of self crafted or stolen goods against usefull stuff like metal wares, vanity items, and so on
• Capturing - People that dare to enter the territory of the band
• Intrigueing - Spinning intrigues against other forest girl bands, e.g. making two fight each other for own personal gain

What else? I have been a panther girl long, and played much more, but it slipped my memories. Please give me inputs and ideas!
Which "religuous" events could a panther girl band play internally without becoming disney or GE? What other kinds of play would you expect to see if you were using an alt to join a panther girl band?

I want to compile a guide that helps to have panther girls play more within their bands, in their camp and sim, as that seems to be something central desired by the rest of the community, and also something I always wished for. Please give me ideas and also, if you have, experiences about IC stuff you have seen and liked (OOC I do not ask for, there is plenty for that already).

[Violetta Daviau]

Findings (accross the boards)

• Multi day fishing / hunting trip to another sim including preparations
• Immaginary travel from one camp to the other
• IC ingroup games and challenges: Canoe race, archery contest, etc.
• Special panther girl relevant days: Return of the <insert animal> so those can be hunted again
• Internal conflicts: Temporary IC changes of the leadership

[Xaz Elephas]

What about a Panther Trapping Hunt. A few girls pack up previsions for a few days where you travel into the woods away from the camp to trap animals for fur/hides. Mainly this is due too the animals that use to be in the woods near the camp have been hunted out. Involve finding a forest sim in Gor that would work with the Panthers on the storyline. You take camping gear, fishing rods I would think, rolled up furs for sleeping on.   

I wanted as part of my personal role-play to have a small herd of bosk. Yet most bosk you find around just stay still, they don't roam.  I contacted a builder who made great looking earth animals and they roamed. I asked him if he would make some Gor animals.  I helped him to the research and the goal was accomplished. He has sold quite a bit of them now. We pushed it even further to where now these animals are hunt-able and they now give meat, hides ect when you kill them.  Some of them will attack too to make the role-play more detailed. Why did I tell you this?  This is why:

•   Crafting - From gutting hunted animals, preparing the meat to sustain, making e.g. bow strings from the tendons, tools from the bones, using the gutt juices for tanning, preparing hides and furs, stitching panther clothes, crafting soap, ropes, flintstone tools, binas, wood carvings, basket making, arrow fletching, aquireing ingredients for all that, repairing huts and so on
•   Hunting - Going out to hunt imaginary animals, Verr, Vulo, Tarsk, Tabuk, Forest Panther, eventually Bosk and other animals, also collecting/gathering food in plant form, herbs for tea and medications and so on

Contact Restless Swords and I am sure he would work with you on making animals give bones, tendons.  I am going to be involved in a project next month. One of the sims that will open will be woods. When this is all set up I see no reason why a few panthers could not role-play a hunting trip there. We can set up the huntable animals...   just saying.

[Delaynie Barbosa]

Animal hunting is a good one. There is a lot of option for putting metered animals out for hunting purposes. I think intrigue and going up against other bands for personal gain is a good one too. You have potential for lots of conflict, long term story with power struggle, land won and lost, etc (think Hura wanting to take over Verna's territory).  This of course would require some cooperatin from GE bands since BTB panthering isn't populated, but I think with potential for long-term roleplay will attract some people.

Also, I think if you approach the more northerly cities and show them in the book where Marlenus hired Hura's band, you might get some people to rethink their panther roleplay rules. While this is external play instead of internal, I thought I would just mention it before I forget.  I'm not sure you'll ever get people to agree to panther armies in the south, even though such roleplay is by the book. It would have been a rare occurance, hence people just flat saying no to it. But say, Piedmont, Rive-de-Bois, Thentis, German Lydius and spanish Cardy, might get some responses.

[Tiara Platthy]

It is not the lack of activities that makes the panthering die. The problem is, all these activities you wrote up is started to be the repeatation. There is not many BTB panther girls around any more and means you are mostly alone in your timezone and this is also leading you to make all these RPs alone. Now, some of us (I say us as I still feel the panther even if I am playing a FW right now) like to play alone yes... but most find it needless and call it masturbating which I totally agree because we are playing SL to interact with others not to write books alone.

The moondance I remeber was our best activity which took 4-8 hours depending on the joiners. But after 5-6 times it started to be the same. Hunting , fishing, crafting... thse are all like same emotes but just doing in different times. This is what makes BTB panthering boring. It is really fun to do all these activities you said ... but once it turns into random... it is boring.

Now, to my opinion, having a meter, that includes the needs of all these activities you said with animals that actually attack you back with a decent power to put you in risk can be fun. Why should I go and bath again again 3 times a week emoting the same things... why should I go and hunt again again with same emotes while I really dont need these foods. And you know what is also annoying while doing all these? You RP enjoying it and you bring food home... and what happens? How many panther girls do you know that RP the meals really?

We made that lovely stock system... How many of them really used it unless we leaded them to go hunt? How many slaves lowered the stocks when they served the drinks or food before we remind them? Let me tell you... NONE.

About supporting your band... I am in as I will always be supporting BTB panthering. I have an inn now in Maelstrom out and away from the village... out of sight that I can make shady things... grins. I arrange fake slave release papers or things like that, I give shelter to outlaws if they need to hide or medical care. I also trade with panthers but I of course dont pay them good as they not legal. So feel free to come and RP. I will trade drinks against your meat and fish... or if you have slave boys, soon I will be arranging fighting slave tourneys.... disguise as FW and participate to earn RP coins....

[Violetta Daviau]

It is not the lack of activities that makes the panthering die. The problem is, all these activities you wrote up is started to be the repeatation. There is not many BTB panther girls around any more and means you are mostly alone in your timezone and this is also leading you to make all these RPs alone. Now, some of us (I say us as I still feel the panther even if I am playing a FW right now) like to play alone yes... but most find it needless and call it masturbating which I totally agree because we are playing SL to interact with others not to write books alone.

The moondance I remeber was our best activity which took 4-8 hours depending on the joiners. But after 5-6 times it started to be the same. Hunting , fishing, crafting... thse are all like same emotes but just doing in different times. This is what makes BTB panthering boring. It is really fun to do all these activities you said ... but once it turns into random... it is boring.

I doubt that it is so easy. Yes, the plays may get repetive over time if done always similarly, and if nothing else happens in the woods. Yes, not many players enjoy the mundane daily life things and chores, but as you had followed my classes back in Canjellne, you saw too that there are ways to make even those fun. The rest is imagination ("you need lye for making soap", "you need to soften leather before you craft it into a furkini" etc).

These kinds of tasks are barely different to the rest we used to do in SL Gor: Standing on walls to wait for raids, common shootouts, standard captive play back and forth, taunting wanderers. It gets repetive too, all that holds us at bay is the chance to meet by chance a real exceptional roleplay partner or the feeling of duty to bring traffic to a sim and provide RP for others.

The problem panther bands had for a long time was that they basically only strived to play with others, were a community only for lesbian love and raids. The camp internal play often enough was only the chit chat while sipping blackwine or sa paga at the campfire before the daily topics dried out and people ran off again to cause mischief at any whatever village, outlaw camp, whereever.
This and the raids on cities and other griefing level roleplay leaded to panther girls being banned and frowned upon on more and more places.
They urgently need more internal roleplay. And for that I want to offer ideas to be added to the already existing possibilities.
If people do not like it, they do not need to play it - and I do not mean the panther life but the panther girl itself - at least not in BTB. Slavey snuggling, sissy humping, blackwine sipping and flowerpower bows in front of their anime nose they can have in GE, I wish them all fun to be gained.

Now, to my opinion, having a meter, that includes the needs of all these activities you said with animals that actually attack you back with a decent power to put you in risk can be fun. Why should I go and bath again again 3 times a week emoting the same things... why should I go and hunt again again with same emotes while I really dont need these foods. And you know what is also annoying while doing all these? You RP enjoying it and you bring food home... and what happens? How many panther girls do you know that RP the meals really?

Your opinion of course in all honor.
Do though city sims play out their internal conflicts with meters all the time? FW against FW? Kajira against Kajira? Do FM whip their bratty kajirae only with metered whips or hunt them down by running bow blazing through the city before to bind them?
The roleplaying in creative settings is precisely the intend of it all. Surely no one asks to have a Tabuk or Larl hunt twice a day, or to do it alone. I have experiences with such roleplay e.g. hunts: The hunting of immaginary animals lasted 8 hours for us, immense, fun roleplay. When we went for metered animals, the entire play lasted 30 minutes before people again gazed at the group leader like loving sheeps.
The meter is contraproductive for roleplay, and especially for a role that so far relayed on the meter nearly exclusively.
For people that want to pew pew anyone down without question, I again offer GE, and for people that consider a shoot out now and then as relaxing and fun between some intense roleplays, we can organize even regular CTFs - like Dani does in Cardi, bigger fun than I ever imagined, and no fear of drama for shooting something/-one.

What panther girls need is for sure a bigger focus on band, camp and sim internal roleplay. Panther girls cannot chit chat about the latest city gossip, IC mock the bakerwoman for her dress, gigglish whisper about that handsome warrior that joined the cylinder two days ago or spin their intrigues against the magistrate.
So Panther girls need to package that into other ways of playing, tribal play. An Amazonas jungle native village community functions different than a modern western world city too, and that without running to the neighbours day in day out to taunt them for a weapon based competition, or challenge animals for such a competition so to speak.

In the end, getting panther girls away from the overly strong meter focus is the purpose of this thread: Gathering ideas for other plays. Not only daily life and chores surely, people that love only that are usually playing "Sims", but also other stuff that can fill a band community's day.

We made that lovely stock system... How many of them really used it unless we leaded them to go hunt? How many slaves lowered the stocks when they served the drinks or food before we remind them? Let me tell you... NONE.

Obviously that level of realism was too high yes, it is the same for BTB city sims. People walk past even rule based restrictions of places too if they want their Turian Wine, and if they summon a barrel from the trunks.

About supporting your band... I am in as I will always be supporting BTB panthering. I have an inn now in Maelstrom out and away from the village... out of sight that I can make shady things... grins. I arrange fake slave release papers or things like that, I give shelter to outlaws if they need to hide or medical care. I also trade with panthers but I of course dont pay them good as they not legal. So feel free to come and RP. I will trade drinks against your meat and fish... or if you have slave boys, soon I will be arranging fighting slave tourneys.... disguise as FW and participate to earn RP coins....

That reminds me of my good old Rusty Collar Tavern, my own mafia style, shady as you call it, GE tavern (GE because I doubted that a FW could be proprietor in such a place). The problem there was to keep the paga girls at bay for the times between the arrival of patrons. And all, paga girls and free minions were looking at me often for action, even if I planned public events, sent people on shady missions, went for PR runs to attract more customers...