Gorean Lifestyle

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[Spirit Lapis]

If anyone is familiar with Palace Chat, they may know of Amazonia... it was "loosely" based on panthers - though it was a major FemDom palace server and it was running pretty much since palace chat was conceived, it had been there for a veryy long time, anyone who hadn't heard of it couldnt possibly have been in Gor or even BDSM in palace chat cause it was so widely known of.  Well i was part of that palace for a long time. (Talking about 10 years or so), and was owned by the "Queen" and the Head Mistress there (yeah i know - it wasnt strict Gor, but wasnt full BDSM either tho there were aspects of both rps in the palace). 

In RL... the Queen was very much into the female camp style living, living ina camp of women, walking about naked and such had male guards on gates to keep "general public" from bothering them. They were naturists, panther girls, they did what PGs did, it was an awesome community. Taking things too far? Maybe in eyes of some... this was actually based in North Carolina and I had the pleasure of going to stay with them for a while. Omg it was amazing and I must say, it really gave me a whole new prospective on things lol.

Anyway, i do believe some people can rp gor in real life, incorperate what parts of Gor you can LEGALLY do in RL into their RL lifestyle, but it'd never be enough to consider it full on Gorean. Where as Gor is a made up world, things like M/s and BDSM have been around since like 30's and further... theres cases of Domination and submission being around since egyptians, greeks, romans, and some might even know of Betty Page's shocking Bondage pictures xD ... when all this kind of stuff was very VERY taboo... I mention leather boots to my great grandad and I'd be flogged for being disgusting thats how taboo it was back then and he's still in same mentality today lol so imagine how much of his favorite great grandaughter i am when I go round in my collar and leather camisk

Also yes ive been known to kneel in the supermarket - actually it was Asda in Grimsby Back when I was owned by a supposed "Lifestyler". I was taken shopping on a leash, I was made to kneel while the Master got His meat from the butchers in the Asda supermarket, and I was half dressed too. Deffinately cocked a few eyebrows and had people asking if I needed help or the police or if I was kidnapped or something I found it rather natural. But that was back then - these days you wont get me out the house without normal clothing on...

Anyway back to topic i dont believe Gor can ever truly be a lifestyle of its own in RL, it has to carry elements of other lifestyles such as TPE, M/s, D/s, BDSM and what not... it cant be a 'purely gor' lifestyle without thinking that Gor is a real life place and that kurii and Tarns, and Priest Kings and Talking Spider People, and panther girls and such is real. 

Anyone know what number bus it is to Ar Station? I lost the timetable and my husband's tarn is in the garage getting its tailfeathers fixed

[Tertionus]

Anyway back to topic i dont believe Gor can ever truly be a lifestyle of its own in RL, it has to carry elements of other lifestyles such as TPE, M/s, D/s, BDSM and what not... it cant be a 'purely gor' lifestyle without thinking that Gor is a real life place and that kurii and Tarns, and Priest Kings and Talking Spider People, and panther girls and such is real. 

Do you also think that Christians who believe that much of the bible (virgin birth, miracles, flood, etc.) is allegory are not real Christians?

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Anyway back to topic i dont believe Gor can ever truly be a lifestyle of its own in RL, it has to carry elements of other lifestyles such as TPE, M/s, D/s, BDSM and what not... it cant be a 'purely gor' lifestyle without thinking that Gor is a real life place and that kurii and Tarns, and Priest Kings and Talking Spider People, and panther girls and such is real. 

Do you also think that Christians who believe that much of the bible (virgin birth, miracles, flood, etc.) is allegory are not real Christians?

I use that example all the time when I hear the classic "ride a tarn to work".  I just have decided not to bother lately.

[thyri Carver]

I think that Gorean is a valid expression of a TPE BDSM lifestyle.  It has unique protocols and role play aspects to it.  Is that any more valid or less valid than a 40 year old man who role plays as an infant?  He obviously is not an infant, but he role plays as such in his real life.

We have people who believe they're vampires, some people taking it so far as to actually drink blood.  But are they immortal?  Certainly not, vampires are a fictional creation however some individuals do believe they are vampires.  Most of which wear dark clothing, teeth caps and drink red wine as a substitute for blood.  But they believe they are what they are.  Are they wrong?  I'm not going to be the one to tell them that.  Do I think its weird?  You betcha!

Its the same way with gorean lifestylers.  Do I see their relationship as an extended kink of a typical TPE BDSM exchange?  Yes.  Do they have the right to believe in certain moral principles and claim things such as honor?  Do they have the right to substitute slave with kajira?  I dont see the harm in that.  They have their ceremonial things just as much as other BDSMers have ceremony in their lives.  I dont see it as my job as someone who role plays this environment to tell those who take their D/s to a fandom that they're wrong or they should not have the right to exist in their role play relationship.  Or to say they're real life goreans.  

And about the star trek thing?  I've seen people and known people who DO believe they're klingon.  Hell there's a whole bloody dictionary of english to klingon.  And those individuals also believe in a heavy honor based system that is male dominated.  Mostly strong bodied male dominated.  Sound vaguely familiar?

So I think then that heavy masculine honor based role plays are open for people to say "I'm a X lifestyler"  Be that X Gor, vamp, game of thrones, star trek, star wars... whatever.  Heavy honor based genres speak to us as humans.  For some more than others obviously.  Many fandoms have individuals who see the genre and want to take the principles of that genre and integrate it into their daily lives.  They want a structure to live by, they see basic principles that they feel are good ways to live as a human being.  And they CAN become fanatical about it.

Very few lifestylers outside of the online community go running around saying "tal" to other people.  Why?  Because it seperates them and makes them look weird and opens them to scrutiny by those who do not participate.  Just like those who subscribe to any other fandom wont use their genre specific words to integrate with the "normals".  

I really dont see the harm in it.  I do see how it can become a lifestyle like any other fetish or kink can become a lifestyle.  In the online world, many fandoms do tend to take themselves to an extreme level.  Like your Klingon would walk around in his klingon costume every day in second life, and they feel immersed.  Is that wrong?  Is that wrong when the klingon fandom person walks into a furniture store in SL and speaks using their klingon translator?  (I'm sure one has to exist in SL).  They get looked at strange by the "normals".  Just as the gorean gets looked at strange by the "normals" should they go to a club outside of their fandom.  But for me, they do exist.  Do I subscribe to their philosophies and think them a bit strange?  You betcha.  But just because its not my kink doesnt give me the right to clamor about saying "YOU DO NOT EXIST!"

[luce]

No opinion button pressed.  I am no sub in RL so playing a slavey in RP is a challenge for me on SL but I guess I was drawn to exploring that side of me........ never met a lifesyler in RL so thats something to look forward to if that ever happened..fireworks indeed!!

[Junea Demonia]

No opinion button pressed.  I am no sub in RL so playing a slavey in RP is a challenge for me on SL but I guess I was drawn to exploring that side of me........ never met a lifesyler in RL so thats something to look forward to if that ever happened..fireworks indeed!!

Why would there be fireworks?

[ramond lax]

As a rule, I think anyone who says they are a "gorean Lifestyler" is just a pompous Cock who thinks that saying so is going to make people respect him, and, at least in my case, he's wrong.  Ignoring the fact that anyone who tries to force the ownership on another, even IF that person admitted they submit, are still in Violation of any number of laws.  Legally speaking, No means No, it just has to be said once..and Carrying on after is Rape, and Prosecutable.  No Jury will accept the claim, "Oh but it's OK... I'm a gorean lifestyle, and she is my slave"

Simple put, these are books.  they tell a story.  you can take lessons from them, and even weave those lessons into your daily life, but no matter what you do, you will never BE a Gorean, no matter how hard you try.  at best, you are an offshoot BDSM master with particular kinks. 

make your reality work for you... Don't try to be a fantasy. 

[Junea Demonia]

As a rule, I think anyone who says they are a "gorean Lifestyler" is just a pompous Cock who thinks that saying so is going to make people respect him, and, at least in my case, he's wrong.  Ignoring the fact that anyone who tries to force the ownership on another, even IF that person admitted they submit, are still in Violation of any number of laws.  Legally speaking, No means No, it just has to be said once..and Carrying on after is Rape, and Prosecutable.  No Jury will accept the claim, "Oh but it's OK... I'm a gorean lifestyle, and she is my slave" 

As I said - I know quite a few lifestylers who also choose to incorporate some of the gorean things into their real lives. Not ONE of them think is it ok to do anything against a person's will and force anything on anyone. They all know very well it all has to be consensual. Just like any other relationship - from vanilla to various bdsm flavors - people know it all has to be consensual.

A lot of people practice something that is called the fantasy of non consent. Consent is given at the outset of the relationship - or just at the beginning of some scene or encounter that a no might not be a no. But that is why people have safe words and things like that. They simply enjoy the fantasy of non consent. In sl it is the same - we always  consent to everything that happens to us in sl - the x in the corner is the ultimate safe word