Slave healing

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[Nigaltwaddlesworthiii]

How about something simple and IC.  Send the slave for help.  Use a real person if NPCs don't float your boat but my suggestion was that it is first aid....perfectly acceptable if the slave is involved.  Anything beyond that then yes its up to you but don't try to slap a gorean label on choosing to have a slave which is regarded as little more than the bosk in the field in a genre where caste pride is paramount in the role of a skilled physician. 

We don't have castes where I role play.. and previous posts have given enough book evidence to support emergency aid in what ever capacity the slave in question can offer.. Obviously if a healer can be gotten from elsewhere..ya get one.. if not and its an emergency.. then make a choice to have the slave help or not..

[Kail Lefevre]

If I am hurt... bleeding and a slave is all thats around... I don't care if she knowledge or not I am going tell her to help me. Thats just common sense. If she was a Green before all the more better. Think  I am going say oh, no a slave can't do that and lay there and bleed to death?  Common sense.  Also I would think after  say a large battle... there are a lot injured... the Physcian is over whelmed, going to tell me it would not be common sense for the Green to get the slaves or all the slaves around to help... sometimes we need to close the books... set them aside and use some common sense in what could happen that may not be in the books but in OUR  Gorean stories.

Common sense.

That is a great concept. If you stand on a field of war, with out any one at your side. Two hundred warriors of the enemy sudden appear and charge you. Common sense says flee. The code of the warrior says stay and die like a warrior. Being a warrior means some thing more then most give it. It stands for some thing greater then life. Die with honor. Don't let the slave soil your honor. Let her field dress your wounds at best. You are high caste and only a high caste physician should do more.
 

[Spirit Lapis]

Slaves did heal Free and slave alike in the books, there are quotes for such, so I see no issue in slaves healing. Nor does many others I see.

NPCs can be fun I suppose, but like most others, I log in to roleplay with real people, not people playing people who aren't really there, makes me think they're stark raving bonkers and in need of a Gorean Shrink.

NPC's in my opinion aren't fun, and I too refuse to use them. If a real person has to be replaced with a NPC there are issues.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Slaves did heal Free and slave alike in the books, there are quotes for such, so I see no issue in slaves healing. Nor does many others I see.

NPCs can be fun I suppose, but like most others, I log in to roleplay with real people, not people playing people who aren't really there, makes me think they're stark raving bonkers and in need of a Gorean Shrink.

NPC's in my opinion aren't fun, and I too refuse to use them. If a real person has to be replaced with a NPC there are issues.

There are no quotes of slaves "healing" or "practicing medicine".  There is the quote of Vika treating Tarl for a cut while with the PKs.  There is also another quote about former FW who were skilled in medicine or law having more value on the auction block.  Beyond that I have no idea what quotes you mean despite the lengthy post you provided earlier.  I often smear antibiotic ointment on my child's minor injuries and I give her a Dora bandage but that doesn't make me a physician.  Holding a cloth to her forehead when she is fevered doesn't rise to the occasion either.

As for the NPC I'm not going to push anyone to use them but the slave themselves could become the NPC.  I don't believe it means what you think it means if you are suggesting you are not "playing with real people".  My NPCs have done everything from kicking a slave to pouring paga on a man's lap in a tavern.  They make the world of gor far bigger than you an imagine.  I've even been known to share my NPCs. 

[Aphris Myoo]

My personal opinion is that a slave wouldn't perform caste work. Even if she once was a physician and in the caste, once she's enslaved she no longer has that caste. Her past training is moot. 

Tarl had a slave who was his accountant, he used her skills learned in her caste (blue in this case). But I agree, that mostly this did not happen, Gorean males liked the see high caste women doing lowly work like cleaning kettles and tharlarion stables.

[Caranda Schreiner]

Tarl had a slave who was his accountant, he used her skills learned in her caste (blue in this case).

That's pretty much the exception that proves the rule though - Tarl giving her this position was thought unusual and created resentment among his scribes. 

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Tarl had a slave who was his accountant, he used her skills learned in her caste (blue in this case).

That's pretty much the exception that proves the rule though - Tarl giving her this position was thought unusual and created resentment among his scribes. 

Pretty much this.  I'll also add that even he went to great pains to show that she was still just a slave chaining her to the table despite all the coin she was making him to appease the FM around him. 

[Dren Bernard]

Slaves did heal Free and slave alike in the books, there are quotes for such, so I see no issue in slaves healing. Nor does many others I see.

Spirit, if you mean First Aid, fine, but I don’t think you mean just that. You stated before:

As kajira, I was always permitted to 'aid as needed'. When in North, I worked alognside the Healer of the village, helping Her out, stitching, and yes even operating. I knew how to do it 'by the books'......

A slave operating is not found anywhere in the books. If you know a quote, show me. This simply is extending the spirit (!) of the books beyond one of the main concepts in a Gorean society: slaves do NOT perform caste work. Norman declared nurses to be of the Green caste. So a Gorean nurse would be a free woman of high caste.

NPCs can be fun I suppose, but like most others, I log in to roleplay with real people, not people playing people who aren't really there, makes me think they're stark raving bonkers and in need of a Gorean Shrink. NPC's in my opinion aren't fun, and I too refuse to use them. If a real person has to be replaced with a NPC there are issues.

So where would you suggest we take this; the sim is empty: there are no warriors, so slaves pick up weapons as they used to be panthers? There are no scribes, slaves perform companionship ceremonies?  The Initiate is off sick so we get a slave to do his work?
Why is it that no slave may perform high caste work but a physician may be replaced by a slave whenever there is no physician around? It just doesn’t add up.

Again I have no problem with First Aid that can be done by anyone, I have no problem with anyone, including slaves, aiding a Physician. And me not agreeing with "healing slaves" is not a comment on anyone's OOC competency of putting down a credible gorean Physician. It is not about if you are able to do so, it is about if it would happen in a Gorean society. Caste work by a slave goes against one of the pillars of Gorean society. It is that simple.

[Violetta Daviau]

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So where would you suggest we take this; the sim is empty: there are no warriors, so slaves pick up weapons as they used to be panthers? There are no scribes, slaves perform companionship ceremonies?  The Initiate is off sick so we get a slave to do his work?
Why is it that no slave may perform high caste work but a physician may be replaced by a slave whenever there is no physician around? It just doesn’t add up.
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Been Panther Girl, then enslaved - and no matter how much I objected, I got the weapon pushed into my hands - not a sword but a warspear.
Not only by one master, in BTB sims.

[Spirit Lapis]

i never stated slaves in the books did operations....

and im going to say this: be BTB as much as you want to, worship the mighty bible of John Norman, but theres only so much you can do by the books, sometimes things evolove and things happen that weren't spouted about in the books,... if you dont wanna rp it then dont - what harm is those who permit healer slave rp to happen doing to you? absolutely nothing.

We all rp gor the way WE wanna rp it.
People state there was no such thing as firearms on Gor (Guns and such) yet there was... they were on Gor... but they just werent used because of rules n shit.
Theres BTB sims that swear blind that "Scribarys" and "serverys" and "chilla's" existed - which arent in the books but y'all have no issue with them being used everytime you get a slut to serve you. Ttrust me i lost count on how many Free have ordered me to the "scribery" to study, or sent me to re-serve them their drink and use the correct "servery" term instead of "kitchen".
This only leads me to believe people pick and choose what to spout up BTB on and dont bother with other things.
This's issue i have with gor lately.
People spend more time arguing what was and wasnt in the books that RP just isnt much fun anymore.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

i never stated slaves in the books did operations....

and im going to say this: be BTB as much as you want to, worship the mighty bible of John Norman, but theres only so much you can do by the books, sometimes things evolove and things happen that weren't spouted about in the books,... if you dont wanna rp it then dont - what harm is those who permit healer slave rp to happen doing to you? absolutely nothing.

We all rp gor the way WE wanna rp it.
People state there was no such thing as firearms on Gor (Guns and such) yet there was... they were on Gor... but they just werent used because of rules n shit.
Theres BTB sims that swear blind that "Scribarys" and "serverys" and "chilla's" existed - which arent in the books but y'all have no issue with them being used everytime you get a slut to serve you. Ttrust me i lost count on how many Free have ordered me to the "scribery" to study, or sent me to re-serve them their drink and use the correct "servery" term instead of "kitchen".
This only leads me to believe people pick and choose what to spout up BTB on and dont bother with other things.
This's issue i have with gor lately.
People spend more time arguing what was and wasnt in the books that RP just isnt much fun anymore.

I don't accept any of those things and if you do a quick search I'm certain you will find threads here on the forum that discuss them not being authentic.  As for not RPing with a healing slave I would RP with them since I try to handle all things IC.  The RP just might not be what they are expecting. 

I'm confused what exactly a forum discussion has to do with your RP not being fun.  Didn't you mention being ordered to heal a physician by the Ubar in your previous post?  It sounds like you are in "healing slave" heaven despite what is being said here.  Rock on with a bottle of salve in your silks and ignore those who disagree.

[Spirit Lapis]

i never stated slaves in the books did operations....

and im going to say this: be BTB as much as you want to, worship the mighty bible of John Norman, but theres only so much you can do by the books, sometimes things evolove and things happen that weren't spouted about in the books,... if you dont wanna rp it then dont - what harm is those who permit healer slave rp to happen doing to you? absolutely nothing.

We all rp gor the way WE wanna rp it.
People state there was no such thing as firearms on Gor (Guns and such) yet there was... they were on Gor... but they just werent used because of rules n shit.
Theres BTB sims that swear blind that "Scribarys" and "serverys" and "chilla's" existed - which arent in the books but y'all have no issue with them being used everytime you get a slut to serve you. Ttrust me i lost count on how many Free have ordered me to the "scribery" to study, or sent me to re-serve them their drink and use the correct "servery" term instead of "kitchen".
This only leads me to believe people pick and choose what to spout up BTB on and dont bother with other things.
This's issue i have with gor lately.
People spend more time arguing what was and wasnt in the books that RP just isnt much fun anymore.

I don't accept any of those things and if you do a quick search I'm certain you will find threads here on the forum that discuss them not being authentic.  As for not RPing with a healing slave I would RP with them since I try to handle all things IC.  The RP just might not be what they are expecting. 

I'm confused what exactly a forum discussion has to do with your RP not being fun.  Didn't you mention being ordered to heal a physician by the Ubar in your previous post?  It sounds like you are in "healing slave" heaven despite what is being said here.  Rock on with a bottle of salve in your silks and ignore those who disagree.

Not really... the BTB crp still comes up in ((OOC)) constantly by certain people. Hardly heaven. And i really dont care if i heal or not lol my Owner ordered me not to because of certain people being bitchy ic and ooc over it... and causing drama. Only times ive gone against those orders from my owner is when Ubar and Ubara ordered me to do it. And even then wasnt happy about disobeying my owner.

I suppose when it really comes down to things, im in gor for my owners, nobody else. BDSM of me? oh well. Im a submissive that finds it hard to roleplay something i am in my heart. and i have a mega issue with people who constantly scream BTB in your face.

Gor is meant to be fun. And the discussion isnt what makes gor not fun for me.... its not just on the forums where people spout that is n isnt btb enough to be rpd.

Fact is there is no other rp that is as restrictive in what can and cant be rpd as there is in gor. and tbh i kinda lost interest in the whole thing. Its reached the point where even in my own home sim, I refuse to enter main part anymore. I sit in the home my Owners rent and i dont shift from there unless they are there and want me to go with them into the other sim that makes up Cos. I'm just tired i suppose... tired of fighting against constantly being hit with the BTB or Not dramafest that happens when we're supposed to be roleplaying and IC. This whole discussion just kinda reminded me of why I had been comtemplating leaving Gor and sparked up some old emotions and reservations I had. Nothing personal =)

[Junea Demonia]

I suppose when it really comes down to things, im in gor for my owners, nobody else. BDSM of me? oh well. Im a submissive that finds it hard to roleplay something i am in my heart. and i have a mega issue with people who constantly scream BTB in your face.


Its reached the point where even in my own home sim, I refuse to enter main part anymore. I sit in the home my Owners rent and i dont shift from there unless they are there and want me to go with them into the other sim that makes up Cos.

Nothing wrong with having a bdsm relationship! But if you play on a role play sim - you have to leave that bdsm relationship where it belongs (in your OOC time and behind the scenes) and make sure it does not interfere with the rp of others. I don't care if people are sub to their owners behind the scenes - I don't care if the roles are reversed OOC and the person who role plays the slave is in charge OOC. I don't care if couples are completely vanilla behind the scenes, if they don't know each other at all, if they are friends, married, if they hate each other...I don't care. As long as those OOC things are kept OOC and between them.

If you find it hard to play the role of a slave because you are submissive rl - and it causes you to be upset and only sit behind closed doors instead of role playing....maybe you should simply try playing another role?