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« 04. February 2012, 01:32:11 »
The Couching Law depicts a free woman having sex, or preparing to have sex, with another persons property (slave). Is he owned by someone else? If so, was he ordered to do this by the owner?
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« 04. February 2012, 01:53:01 »
Going back to the OP, it seems pretty obvious that the FW who Sayrax was with was not his mistress; if she was, he could not have disobeyed her or insulted her with impunity.  Therefore, she, by engaging in sex with him, would have fallen victim to the couching law:

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“I see,” I said. Any free woman who voluntarily couches with another´s slave, or readies herself to do so, becomes the slave of the slave´s master. By such an act, the couching with, or readying herself to couch with, a slave, as though she might be a girl of the slave´s master, thrown to the slave, she shows herself as no more than a slave, and in this act, in law, becomes a slave. Who then should own her, this new slave? Why, of course, he to whom the law consigns her, the master of the slave with whom she has couched, or was preparing to couch.” Magicians of Gor, page 303

Off-topic: If "furring" is an onlinism, wouldn't the proper BtB term therefore be "couching", not "fucking"?

This law was only applicable in Ar and judging from the presense of brothels in Ar it likely did not apply to brothel slaves and perhaps even leased slaves.

The Couching Law depicts a free woman having sex, or preparing to have sex, with another persons property (slave). Is he owned by someone else? If so, was he ordered to do this by the owner?

The owner of Milo did order his slave to trap free women.  I can also see a free woman commanding a slave to serve her which would mean the owner would not even have to be aware.  I'm fuzzy but I believe this was the case with Jason in Fighting Slave of Gor.  I'll need to check.  A male slave would be just as subject to the command of a free person as a female slave.

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« 04. February 2012, 04:41:31 »
I'd say the only thing this character did wrong was he stopped once the woman behaved like a slave.

We see in the example of Jason's owner that a female can behave "dominant" sexually towards a weaker man.  And "weaker" men being the earth man Jason.  A woman raping a man sounds pretty "femdom" to me. 

In our examples of kajirii, we have our two extremes.  We have Jason who starts out as a simpering weak earth man who finds out what it is to be a "real man" on Gor.  And then we have Milo, a gorean man, already strong, used as a lure slave to increase his owner's profits by ensnaring FW.  Until he's freed and he behaves just as any natural gorean male would.  Which means Milo would probably be used to women simpering, begging, behaving "slavelike".  However an early Jason perhaps would not and would probably be confused with a gorean FW behaving like a simpering pile of goo in the furs. 

I think also that a lot of FW do not express their inner "Jason's owner" (because I cannot recall her name at the moment) when it comes to silk slaves and instead express more their inner "Milo's victim". 

Someone is telling him to behave more like a Milo than a Jason.  That is wrong.  However, its also wrong for him to be telling another RPer to behave more like a Jason's owner than a Milo's victim. 

I dont think he's wrong in the role he chose for wanting a sexually dominant female when he's playing a silk slave.  As there was a market for silk slaves, there goes to reason that there were other FW in Gor who behaved like Jason's owner.  The woman who raped male slaves and used them for her pleasure rather than once in the throes of pleasure became begging slaves. 

Just because he's a gorean man, does not reason that he's naturally an uber dom.  There were silk slaves specifically bred to be docile to be raped by a FW.  To be owned by a woman to be used to take the edge off of that frigidity but to not render her into a helpless puddle of goo. 

We say to men constantly "be a REAL master, learn to master yourself before mastering others" but with FW we dont tell them constantly  "Learn to master yourself, learn to master your frigidity and weild it like the weapon it is" 

I think in this case, both wrongs certainly did not make a right.  I think he embarrassed the woman when this case does not seem to be that he was used by his owner as a lure slave ala Milo.  I think he was a "free agent slave" who wanted someone to behave in X manner and did not get it.  Frankly if I were any of those women that he walked out on and had a blackwine afterwards... i'd have him stripped, tied up and lashed within an inch of his life for ICly embarrassing them.  It had a lot of potential ICly but unfortunately as with most sexual things in SL Gor, it turned into a drama fit from both sides when both did not get what they anticipated through the course of random sexual RP.
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« 04. February 2012, 06:00:52 »
Points up at Thyri"s post...

Now..Thats a damn good response.. Stamp That!
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« 04. February 2012, 13:27:34 »
Points up at Thyri"s post...

Now..Thats a damn good response.. Stamp That!

I second that.
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« 04. February 2012, 17:11:15 »
We have Jason who starts out as a simpering weak earth man who finds out what it is to be a "real man" on Gor.  And then we have Milo, a gorean man, already strong, used as a lure slave to increase his owner's profits by ensnaring FW.  
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I think also that a lot of FW do not express their inner "Jason's owner" (because I cannot recall her name at the moment) when it comes to silk slaves and instead express more their inner "Milo's victim". 

While I appreciate the distinction you are attempting to make with your post there are little differences between how these characters behave in a sexual situation.  Both Milo and Jason behaved as male slaves and that even included taking apparent enjoyment of FW and slaves alike.  There is also no real difference in how Lady Florence and the women in the Trilogy treated male slaves when compared to the FW who intended to bed Milo.
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« 05. February 2012, 03:12:13 »
Kaitlin, since we dont have detailed sex scenes for either of these cases, its left open to interpretation. 

The sex scene with lady Florence was FTBed to something like "she stimulated me to an erection and then raped me".  The sex scenes with Milo and the FW he lured were even more vague.  But since Milo's attempt was to lure women into slavery, to me, it would not be a stretch to believe that those women did not stimulate Milo to an erection and then rape him.  Maybe that's my fantasy about Milo there working.  However in the sex scenes that Milo was given a little more face time with the sex, he seemed much more aggressive than Jason did. 

Its these perceptions about both male slaves that were given more than a cursory glance by Norman that we have to work with.  When given the choice between a Milo or a Jason... I'd be willing to bet most women in SL would prefer a Milo.  Its the way Norman wrote the characters.  Jason was of earth, he was a weak man.  Milo was of Gor and even if he was a slave, he was still more "manly" than an earth man.  These characters were purposefully written this way to illustrate Norman's overall book theme that Gorean men are stronger than earth men.  Not just physically but also in their virility.  We have very little to work with in regards to male silk slaves because they are the antithesis of Norman's gor view, in that women are all slaves at heart and with the right man, she can be reduced to a simpering puddle of goo.  By giving women the power to say "I want this man, and I want to use him sexually" it goes completely against this world view.  It goes against the FW's complete frigidity, it shows that even FW need to take that edge off.  But the silk slave also gives her an outlet for that frigidity and shows that she can express her sexuality without fear of becoming a slave.  The silk slave gives her the sexual freedom that gives gorean FW their cake and lets them eat it too. 
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