Status of BTB Panthering

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[Violetta Daviau]

I recently thought I would finally go life with the "Certified Authentic Panther Girl" program, short CAPG. The rules are written in a state that they can be published, I made pictures to include in the rules so I can clarify some details, the group is founded technically and has a logo, I pre-built a BTB like panther camp to set out for the band I plan to form as a core of CAPG.

Now though it seems to be that there are not only barely any pure BTB bands left, either they play both or only GE anymore, but there aren't many sims anymore either that are BTB and somehow related to the Northern Forests.

If a sim is Northern Forest related, pure BTB and holds a pure BTB band at all, it is seemingly a ghost of a band, often squeezed into a corner of the sim at the brinks of some whatever huge village without much play grounds for them, or have a tiny 3 hut gathering without more details than a camp fire anymore.

I have checked a 40 BTB sims that I found in search. Either they are nowhere close to BTB, have no room for a panther band (due to sim layout or an already inhabiting band, even if ghost). Maelstrom, Hrimgar, Sleepy Falls, Dyval, Rive-de-Bois appear to have such ghosts of bands which I assume only that they are purely BTB - "assume" since I never saw a member no matter how long I "besieged" their sim/camp, partly for 17 hours a shift.
Fields of Cardonicus has a band that also works on certification and thus roleplay focus already (Tre'sha Jerag).

I will keep on looking though...


Related questions:
Do people here think that such a program aimed to increase panther girl roleplay in BTB and bring it inline with how citizens play (the panther version of it of course) is still appropriate? This also as we recently started to talk about screwing all "labels".

How do assassins react to the label discussion? Maybe I can adjust the program to the outcome of the label discussion to make it more up-to-date and attractive.

[Gnookie Hubbenfluff]

How do assassins react to the label discussion?

They don't.  GE is not recognized at all. 

Either an assassin functions within the structure of the Black Caste (btb), or they are treated as outlaws and killed on sight by those who have properly earned their caste colors.

[Violetta Daviau]

Thank you, then I am at least in that aspect on the right path...

BTB & GE
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CAPGs agree to be fully BTB Gorean. They do not acknowledge:
- Any group or member of a group that lives on a GE classified sim (usually determined from allowance of femlaws, combatative women that are not panther girls or talunas, as well as tolerance to cutey, punk or similar clothing)
- Femlaws (Female, ARMED non-panther girl or -taluna based outlaws, mercenaries, pirates, citizens/villager, etc.). CAPGs do not accept captures by or trades to nor any roleplay by members of groups or entire groups that support femlaws.
- Unescorted Kajirae/Kajiri (owned or not). An unowned slave is considered a free. An owned slave does not wander alone. A slave is not being tolerated to approach CAPGs with the intend for some roleplay and returning home afterwards. Those slaves will be captured and claimed or sold instead. They may approach with the will to join though.
- Armed Slaves. While slaves may (or may not due to sim rules) take any available weapon to defend themselfes, CAPGs do not support armed slaves in non combat situations. CAPGs do not give any slave any weapon actively, incl. throwing stones, not even to defend the free. Slaves that are armed without the immideate need to defend themselfes (which is a risk for being slain itself for them) will not be acknowledged in RP, captured/disarmed/sold or killed right away.

[Delaynie Barbosa]

Thank you, then I am at least in that aspect on the right path...

BTB & GE
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CAPGs agree to be fully BTB Gorean. They do not acknowledge:
- Any group or member of a group that lives on a GE classified sim (usually determined from allowance of femlaws, combatative women that are not panther girls or talunas, as well as tolerance to cutey, punk or similar clothing)
- Femlaws (Female, ARMED non-panther girl or -taluna based outlaws, mercenaries, pirates, citizens/villager, etc.). CAPGs do not accept captures by or trades to nor any roleplay by members of groups or entire groups that support femlaws.
- Unescorted Kajirae/Kajiri (owned or not). An unowned slave is considered a free. An owned slave does not wander alone. A slave is not being tolerated to approach CAPGs with the intend for some roleplay and returning home afterwards. Those slaves will be captured and claimed or sold instead. They may approach with the will to join though.
- Armed Slaves. While slaves may (or may not due to sim rules) take any available weapon to defend themselfes, CAPGs do not support armed slaves in non combat situations. CAPGs do not give any slave any weapon actively, incl. throwing stones, not even to defend the free. Slaves that are armed without the immideate need to defend themselfes (which is a risk for being slain itself for them) will not be acknowledged in RP, captured/disarmed/sold or killed right away.

I'm so excited you're going live with this! I know how long and hard you have been working on it.  I would suggest you consider then first round testing, however, to make allowences for principals that need to be fine tuned or dropped. One I suggest is the BTB only play. There just won't be any play, since there are not any BTB bands.  Things like that will hav eto be examined and decided how it ould work in the context of your vision.  But I am sure with all the talk of spirit of the books and changing of labels, now is good time for your idea. Good luck!

[Xaz Elephas]

How do assassins react to the label discussion?

They don't.  GE is not recognized at all. 

Either an assassin functions within the structure of the Black Caste (btb), or they are treated as outlaws and killed on sight by those who have properly earned their caste colors.

Yes, this is how we handle it, 100% yes. Spot on, Vart.

[Vincent Cassady]

How do assassins react to the label discussion?

They don't.  GE is not recognized at all. 

Either an assassin functions within the structure of the Black Caste (btb), or they are treated as outlaws and killed on sight by those who have properly earned their caste colors.

Yes, this is how we handle it, 100% yes. Spot on, Vart.

Don't speak for everyone.  Not everyone likes the current structure of the Black Caste. 

Labeling someone as GE or BTB is ridiculous.  What you may consider to be BTB role play is GE to me.  We're all playing Gor, there are certain topics that you deem acceptable and others you do not.  Just because the Black Caste does things that I do NOT like doesn't mean that I should start throwing stones and saying they are GE.  Same goes for everyone else.  If you have an issue with it (except for those annoying pew pewers, they just need to be banned -___-) you should handle it in role play and not just refuse to interact with them. 

[Delaynie Barbosa]

How do assassins react to the label discussion?

They don't.  GE is not recognized at all. 

Either an assassin functions within the structure of the Black Caste (btb), or they are treated as outlaws and killed on sight by those who have properly earned their caste colors.

Yes, this is how we handle it, 100% yes. Spot on, Vart.

Don't speak for everyone.  Not everyone likes the current structure of the Black Caste. 

Labeling someone as GE or BTB is ridiculous.  What you may consider to be BTB role play is GE to me.  We're all playing Gor, there are certain topics that you deem acceptable and others you do not.  Just because the Black Caste does things that I do NOT like doesn't mean that I should start throwing stones and saying they are GE.  Same goes for everyone else.  If you have an issue with it (except for those annoying pew pewers, they just need to be banned -___-) you should handle it in role play and not just refuse to interact with them. 

Forgive me, I'm not of the BC so I might have this wrong, but I thought one of the reasons the BC has standards isa to help facilitate and validate kills. Also to have a membership to stop anyone from jsut walking into a sim to kill saying they were marked, when there is in fact no contract. Nothing wrong with standards.

Bck to the threat  *vote for topaz!*

[Violetta Daviau]

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I'm so excited you're going live with this! I know how long and hard you have been working on it.  I would suggest you consider then first round testing, however, to make allowences for principals that need to be fine tuned or dropped. One I suggest is the BTB only play. There just won't be any play, since there are not any BTB bands.  Things like that will hav eto be examined and decided how it ould work in the context of your vision.  But I am sure with all the talk of spirit of the books and changing of labels, now is good time for your idea. Good luck!

The above quoted rule paragraph is of course only a sniplet of the entire set. Many aspects of panther roleplay are being covered since I think that panther girls did not develop together with the rest of BTB Gor since no matter how GE they were (GE in my perception meaning allowance of femlaws, tolerance to clothing and any other felt ungorean behaviour), the BTB community had accepted them as BTB - mostly since their raids brought traffic, raping them as captive was a change to the often all soft kajirae and there was the thrill of capture and breaking included which none of the plenty sex craving slaves gave. Now BTB developed into a more planned-only conflict style using community and panther girls are still stuck broadly in the "I need to go to a village to get RP at all" issue. They barely have roleplay amongst themselfes other than chat at the campfire.

Tre'sha Jerag is working on this, Eternity is interested for her band, and once I find a camp spot I will make a huge rollcall over the boards as I had seen that during the posting and questionairing process on these boards, quite some where interested in serious play. I have been looking for the last days, as I wrote, in 40 BTB marked sims, least of them are any remote to the Northern Forests anymore, or if, then they are not set up to allow real panther girl roleplay. Hrimgar Woods, Sleepy Falls and Rive-de-Bois give them space to play, but they already have bands (of which I never managed to see a single member). Anyways, before I do not have a camp spot I will not go live truely as I need to be in a leader position to introduce it and gain first hand experiences with it.

Surely then the rules will be tweaked and adjusted, parts will be rewritten to be more clear and have less "holes to escape through". I will not make allowances likely that lead back to the old state though.