Do A Slave have Such Power

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[BellaW Shan]

Greetings

I hope people understand what I am trying to post here.

I am tierd of bratty slaves get there way destory  a sim
some one home, in the books a slave doesnt even own it own name
noting it belongs to the owner.  
yet gorean sim slaves own islands  has great power . at times
I feel only be a slave when suilt them .
slave gives all to it owner and truths about them selfs.

be well

bella W

[Arminius Alviso]

loooooooool

[Kaile Oconnell]

I guess its a bit rich if a slave buys a sim and then does sim business on their own time, rather on say... an alternate avatar's time.

But are you seriously suggesting that a free person who runs a sim give it up if they're enslaved?

[BellaW Shan]

greetings

I dont own a sim .  if a slave does  yes give up there slavery ,
be come  free person .  dont want to own a sim think be a  heachach .  I  said that out anger  it seem some one saw the funny
side out of it . I am from active worlds gor  most gorean worlds  were own by slaves. in voodoo gor  most servers are run by slaves .
you tell me  who really has the power.

[Kaile Oconnell]

What does Active Worlds and Voodoo have to do with this forum?

[Madras Pfeffer]

I think we should not forget that we do RP here.

And owning a Sim is an OOC-thing, that shouldnt have an influence on the role you choose to play.
I dont think that its right to mix OOC and IC in that way that one who owns a Sim cant play a slave.

in the books a slave doesnt even own it own name
noting it belongs to the owner. 

And if you spin your thought out than a slave could also not own her clothes and everything in her inventory should belong to her/his master - i dont think this can be right, or?

We should never forget that we are doing Roleplay here - and we all have the right to life a life outside of Gor, out of our character. And we are all grown up and should be able to differ between OOC and IC.

Of course there is always the danger of abusing the powers one has as sim-administrator - but this doesnt depend on the role one chooses to play in Gor...

just my 2 cents

[Keira Wilder]

I understand where Bella is coming from.

I have seen some SIMs in SL that were owned by "slaves". They still kept their role as kajira / kajirus but the ownership of the SIM had a strong influence on their RP. They became haughty, cheeky, insolent even.
You wanted to punish them as a Master, they told you you get banned from the SIM if you even try.

That's a bad thing and should not be.

A SIM should be run by an "Admin-Account" and yes, it should be a Free... preferably this Account would not even participate in RP.

Every "Character" on the SIM participating in RP should be "stripped" of SIM Admin rights.
This prevents the "owner" from using OOC-SIM-Admin tools in the middle of RP.

[Laja DeCuir]

*smiles and nods to Madras I do agree to your words
I understand the problem that some of the people aren't able to differ between ooc and ic..so I am pretty aware about the problems which may occur if a slave behaves as Keira wrote.
But as Madras said we are all adults and if someone would behave in that way to me I still have the possibility to decide if I want to play with her/him. But to install a rule which excludes a person who is in the admin from the rp in general wouldn't be the right option to deal with it in my opinion. And well...if you really would like to split admin and ic to two avas it is pretty difficult to handle cuz most of us can't spend so much time inworld. This I fear would be necassary if you handle it like that. I f.e. prefer to combine the time I am online do rp if there is time to do it and do the adminstuff inbetween or vis versa.
 

[Arminius Alviso]

well you have seen how it was with me they insulted me called me a stupid slave and much more they cant handle ooc and ic 

[BellaW Shan]

greetings

this was not  direticed  at any one . at all

about slaves owning  worlds islands. and power. 

yes I know the differnt been role play and occ

I have been in gor on line for 11years I seen  alot things and lot of changes.

I have seen when slaves dont get there way ban there owner
strip him of his rights .
at times I dont have the words say what I mean .


be well

bella W

I dont  hurt the people I love respected

[Laja DeCuir]

Don't worry Bella*smiles warmly ... I didn't got you wrong...I think it was a really good point to discuss about and I think you are absolutely right to tell those thoughts.
And regarding the right words..well what should I say english is not my native language..but I do hope I be understandable...so go further and don't worry

[briana dawson]

Wow, i do not know what to say...

These things are going to happen.  The very first Gor sim in SL was purchased by a slave (i was born September 2003), and he had no such power trips.  When i was owned by Master Aradon, i owned the very first island shopping sims in SL.  It was disturbing for some people for me to be in my position as a slave and doing so much business.

There were rules that i was restricted to - i basically maintained an 8 hour workday in SL and was not allowed to go teleporting off to my Galleria sims after hours to do work.  I could not spend money without approval first, all major decisions that would affect my time had to be approved.  These rules made a difference and by agreeing to them to power remained in my owners hand.

There are many ways to curb the perceived "power of a slave", and the first and best way is through a set of rules and agreements that do not impact the slaves ownership of the sim outside the RP but impact what slave can do and thus how she/he acts with that ultimate power.

[Briana Dawson]

Hi, i just registered.

[Keira Wilder]

There were rules that i was restricted to - i basically maintained an 8 hour workday in SL and was not allowed to go teleporting off to my Galleria sims after hours to do work.  I could not spend money without approval first, all major decisions that would affect my time had to be approved.  These rules made a difference and by agreeing to them to power remained in my owners hand.

That's quite strict rules.
For my personal taste thats too much

Welcome to Gor-SL.com, Briana. *smiles*

[Briana Dawson]

Well, with the lifestyle, i had the rules that were necessary, or else it was very easy to become absorbed in taking care of everyone else's needs including my own, except those that mattered, my Master.  With my job -the very first private island shopping sims in SL- i was inundated with IMs, easily 25+ at any given moment.  I would log in at times and just kneel there in tower totally absorbed by IMs.

When you are one of the richest people iand busiest n the world at the time, you can very easily get caught up shopping all day and doing things you think are important when you really you are simply being selfish and over indulging yourself.

I think it is important to share some decisions with that person who is important in your life since it can affect the both of you.  Especially in SL when it is possible to become totally self-absorbed.

If you are going to be a power broker or pioneer in SL -AND- a slave, then rules are required or you might as well be Free.