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« 25. March 2010, 17:44:50 »
Can you clarify something, Aphris? I have been told that women in wagon groups did pick up a bow to defend. Is this an onlinism or valid? I have never seen any quotes to back this up.
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« 25. March 2010, 21:44:36 »
Can you clarify something, Aphris? I have been told that women in wagon groups did pick up a bow to defend. Is this an onlinism or valid? I have never seen any quotes to back this up.
Its an onlinism. And an old one, because many wagonpeople are years and years in Gor, lifestylers. and they all have the FW bow rule. FW at wagonpeople did not use the bow. But Tuchuk FW did kill enemy warriors, not with bow but with daggers, quiva. So maybe it originated there.

This is a highly political discussion point between me and many Kataii, i searched Nomads of Gor again and again. No FW with bows. Look at the old picture, I wear the bow there, no longer now. result is that i finished last in the bow tournament yesterday, so be it.
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« 01. April 2010, 12:08:32 »
Tal everybody,

one has to see the difference between the books and an online world like SL.

While personally I (and many others) don't take the books as a bible, but as a story (which I must admit, is sometimes hard to read, but often damn addictive Tongue) and a reference for the settings of Gor; others do take the books as a bible. Surely both have their arguments for their opinion and against the others, however, in the end it is just that: opinions.

If you have noticed, in SL Gor there are all kinds of weapons, be it the short sword or different variations of long swords, or even glaive swords. Different variations of bows and crossbows...
Though, in the books there is mostly the talk of Tarl's shortsword and other blades common to Gor - and the spear. The use of bows and crossbows, however, was mentioned in Tarnsmen as not so usual in the Red Caste and only Tarl preferred those missile weapons; and Par Kur - yet in SL Gor everyone uses a bow or a cross bow.

So far just as a side note for the differences, now to on topic...

With the differences mentioned between SL Gor and Book Gor it seems fine to me that females take a weapon and defend their homes or even join on raids, however one has to be realistic on this topic too:
A City woman, no matter if High Caste or Low Caste would not be allowed by the men of the city to fight alongside them in a raid against a hostile city - but might protect her home against raiders
An outlaw woman (and please don't argue now about the existence of femlaws**) would eventually be armed in one way or another, able to defend herself against raiders or all the varieties of beasts that lurk in the wilderness of Gor, surely she'd be able, after some time of training, like men need too, to wield the bow precisely.
I'd categorize female mercs as the "femlaws" as well as far as the usage of weapons goes.

**femlaws: whether or not they are mentioned in the books is rather unimportant, use your common sense on this subject, women were captured and enslaved, not seldom a slave became a Free Companion and not all childs born were men. Also, women (caste and slaves) fled from cities to live in the woods, though Norman mentions Panthers and Talunas here only one could surely imagine a woman to find a place within a band of outlaws or mercenaries.

In my opinion - and especially considering the fact that the books are written in Tarl's perspective, based on what he knows about Gor, what he encounters and learns and NOT from a god-like narrator who has ALL the knowledge of ANY happening on the planet Gor - femlaws do have their place in an online RPG _based_ on the settings of the books.

However, there are many other things in SL Gor that'd worry me way more than whether a woman should use a weapon or not.
Lets take a look at strength: Norman contradicts himself about strength, for one he says the gravity on Gor makes Tarl almost superhuman in strength, that it allows a spear to be cast whatever distance and such. On the other side Norman says women are no stronger than 13 yo boys. Yet Talena was able to seize the sword of a Guardsman and hack off the hand of the other Guardsman in Tarnsmen of Gor. Talena, a woman of High Caste who spent most her life in the Walled Gardens of Ar without ever having the need to practice any physical labor. Now I am not a weapons expert, but I did hold a real medieval sword once and practiced some swordfight with it even, it was quite heavy, even though a short sword and without practice and condition one wouldn't be able to use it for long, which Norman correctly described even when he had Talena fall to the ground right after the strike. But my point is: in SL Gor 90% of the women grab your swords (no matter if short, long or even glaive sword) and "TOSS" it away as if they'd through a snowball. I don't know if those are just lazy in their disarming/binding emotes or if they don't know any better...but surely I frown upon that a lot - on the other hand, I have seen quite awesome disarming RPs where the woman would struggle with a heavy sword and rather drag it away than "TOSS" it.

Another thing that I have noticed in SL Gor and is far more bothersome than a female with a bow are some slaves.
Have you noticed how many princess slaves are out there? Can't punish me, can't capture me, can't re-collar me, can't use me sexually can't even undress me - my owner doesn't allow it
Have had it all, they come with their Masters to a raid, get captured and you waste time discussing with them, or get frustrated and just throw them off a cliff or whatever.
Then we have them assassin-slaves who attack a Free on their own and even kill a Free before they return to their masters and are all slut-like again - don't believe it? I didn't either, until I saw it
And we have the "free-sluts" who think they can talk like a Free and do stuff to you hey know they'd be killed for by you (and should be by their owners too), from insulting the Free to harming them on purpose while stripping them - have had it, slave girls grabbing my weapons and "tossing" them away, then take their cutting tool and say "I might hurt you and I'll not be sorry for that" and cut off your clothes and indeed cut your skin even.
Girls, you have chosen to play a Gorean Slave, act like one, aye?
But yes, there are also a lot realistic slave girls in SL Gor and gladly it is the majority of girls! :-)

With the separation of SL Gor's SIMS into BTB and NON-BTB I think people only split a community that belongs together. We should all abide by the settings of Gor but refrain from seeing the books as the Holy Bible. It should be the those who are completely ungorean, be it men, women or slaves, that should be frowned upon, not the fact that a SIM allows female fighters. RP-Ban those who cheat, those who play ungorean, those who are disney, but try out those non-BTB players who are realistic - and there are A LOT of them out there.

Regards,
Cid

PS: it's just an opinion, one of many Tongue
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« 01. April 2010, 16:46:14 »
@sacid  Your post is almost cut and paste from a post on the gorforms where someone posted a long 2000# word essasy on why there should/would/could be femlaws in SL Gor.  I say almost because once I read about femlaws I stopped reading it. The grade I give you is same as the cut-and-paste-copy- post from the Gorforms. An F.  Not in My Gor are there femlaws. The day Treve allows femlaws on the sim is the day I quit Gor.


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« 01. April 2010, 17:17:58 »
@sacid  Your post is almost cut and paste from a post on the gorforms where someone posted a long 2000# word essasy on why there should/would/could be femlaws in SL Gor.  I saw almost because once I read about femlaws I stopped reading it. The grade I give you is same as the cut-and-paste-copy- post from the Gorforms. An F.  Not in My Gor are there femlaws. The day Treve allows femlaws on the sim is the day I quit Gor.

Funny enough you say I am copy and pasting the forum entry you mentioned. For neither I wrote it nor did i read it before. the above text is 100% my own thoughts. Funny also that you grade my writting with an F without even reading it through. However, that's your right to do so for yourself and it is your opinion which I will have to accept.

Anyways, thanks for sharing your opinion :-)
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« 01. April 2010, 18:10:09 »
I have to agree with Xas.. i have no problem with Sims who want to RP female fighters alongside men if that is what they choose. Remember there are plenty of other avenues in SL for women to shoot bows and wield swords
However to me one of the strong emphasis in the stories is the difference between men and women in Gor to that on Earth. Women ARE weaker on Gor in strength, I would recommend that SL Role Players read at least one or some of the books to understand that in no way do women come across as warriors in any of the books..and i know there were a couple of occasions where women did use weapons but in no way was it whole groups of women fighting alongside men.

For the love of Gor lets try and keep it as close to the books as possible
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« 01. April 2010, 22:44:36 »
With the separation of SL Gor's SIMS into BTB and NON-BTB I think people only split a community that belongs together. We should all abide by the settings of Gor but refrain from seeing the books as the Holy Bible. It should be the those who are completely ungorean, be it men, women or slaves, that should be frowned upon, not the fact that a SIM allows female fighters. RP-Ban those who cheat, those who play ungorean, those who are disney, but try out those non-BTB players who are realistic - and there are A LOT of them out there.

Half naked females dressed as BDSM Mistresses with bows, swords and axes, killing and torturing, shouting "fuck this, fuck that" is a very big part of non BtB and not Gor in my opinion. I tried them out, and I am sick of them. Sorry for the few good willing, but why you don't choose Gor as Norman wrote it, if you are so eager to be accepted. why not become a panther if you like shooting a bow?? Just give me one good reason why folks want to change Gor into their phantasy Xena world.
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« 01. April 2010, 23:26:35 »
For me and the biggest issue when women arent armed in a sim .. is very simply the RP scenario's and the interaction between men and women...

Women are dependant on the men to protect them
Women change their RP behaviour when faced with an armed stranger, knowing they cant whip out a bow and take him down.

They are being Gorean women and allowing the men to act as Gorean men and it feels more gorean in theme, nature and style pf role play.
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« 02. April 2010, 02:34:05 »
@sacid  Your post is almost cut and paste from a post on the gorforms where someone posted a long 2000# word essasy on why there should/would/could be femlaws in SL Gor.  I saw almost because once I read about femlaws I stopped reading it. The grade I give you is same as the cut-and-paste-copy- post from the Gorforms. An F.  Not in My Gor are there femlaws. The day Treve allows femlaws on the sim is the day I quit Gor.

Funny enough you say I am copy and pasting the forum entry you mentioned. For neither I wrote it nor did i read it before. the above text is 100% my own thoughts. Funny also that you grade my writting with an F without even reading it through. However, that's your right to do so for yourself and it is your opinion which I will have to accept.

Anyways, thanks for sharing your opinion :-)

That is not what I said. I said your post was ALMOST like a cut and paste post...
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« 10. April 2010, 02:34:26 »
Tarna for one people use the fact she was collard well  so was men in that story even tarl was made a slave by tarna.  tarna was not forced to be collard she was supposed to be killed   but given a chance to live if she agreed to be branded. Tarl must have had respect for her as he didn't kill her when he won the fight.  her ubar lost the war is another reason had he won tarel would have been in the collar.  she had to have beat men as she was in many battles and even tarl said she was skilled. this says she could beat some men.  she was a warrior maybe not a norman gor "warrior'"  but by the way we define warrior she was.  outlaw? does not  say she was or wasn't but looks more like she had a homestone than not. no cast? we do not know for sure. so when  norman says there was no female fighters in gor he should go back and read his books.  there was a female fighter in gor so a female fighter is a good character for a woman to play. maybe norman should be more careful when he writes books but its done now .  Now i agree women should do a better job of rp and read up on tarna at least.
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