New Tarn Meter

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[Adoveea Rau]

Well it's done. So I'm gathering input on what folks think of a tarn meter that:
Does not regenerate health points.
Points are 250
Arrows do five points of damage per shot/every 6.7 seconds
When the tarn is at 0 points, a shout goes out "fatal arrow shot" and the tarn goes into a fast spinning downward spiral
When tarn hit the ground, the tarn literally falls apart (crashes) turns phantom and lays there in a mess for a minute then disappears.
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Add in these tarns WON'T fly backwards

How about it Gor? what do you think?

[Grondar Quartz]

I think its a great idea , however until every Tarn builder uses them the ones who do use this tarn,will be at a severe disadvantage to the ones who stick with he regenerating Tarn meaning they can fly high away and wait for it to regen , i suppose sim owners could enforce a "unless you use doves meter you will not be allowed in" but that would , i think certainly cut down on the people who want to raid, and impact on traffic to the sim , like i say i think it is a superb idea , and very much addresses one of the problems with Tarns, making them more realistic (if you ever can be with a fantasy birdy) ,

[Adoveea Rau]

Okay forgot to add in:
Tarn gets hit, it screams.
Tarn meters has points above the hud and above the tarn in world.
Owner will hear certain warnings at certain levels of injury:
Slight Wound
Tarn is hurt
Tarn is struggling
All hear : [6:23]Tarn shouts: FATAL SHOT ON TARN

[6:22] Adoveea Rau: warriors will go down before their tarn
[6:23] Carter Ebbage: thats a wreck
[6:23] Marauder Oldrich: shambles
[6:23] Adoveea Rau: any questions if their tarn is alive or not?
[6:23] Adoveea Rau grins
[6:23] Carter Ebbage: well if that goes down.. you know about it
[6:23] Adoveea Rau: yes


Havoc gave out the basic meter a long time ago, I plan to show tarnmakers how to restrict the meter for themselves also on no regeneration points.
Any tarnmaker with the health meter can do it.

[Daved Calderwood]

I like the idea of a meter that makes a tarn susceptable to damage as well, only one thing that worries me. If al these tarnmakers adopt this AND if a few cities only allow for these particular tarns, what are my chances of getting my current tarn traded in for the improved model? I'm not exactly rolling in the Lindens to get a new tarn.

[Adoveea Rau]

I just had Pax Canning try a test with me
I put the new metered tarn on the ground, and I went out of range of that tarn, about 83 meters. He shot it till it died, and I heard at the death cry FATAL shot. Came back to see the tarn thrashing and flipping around, then it finally crashed and disappeared.
[7:49]  Ballet Tarn shouts: FATAL SHOT ON TARN
[7:50]  Pax Canning: Poor Tarn
[7:50]  Pax Canning slings his bow on his back
[7:50]  Pax Canning: sheath bow
[7:50]  Adoveea Rau: I heard it
[7:50]  Adoveea Rau: [7:49] Ballet Tarn shouts: FATAL SHOT ON TARN
[7:50]  Pax Canning: someone should put it out of it's misery
[7:50]  Adoveea Rau: a minute of death throes
[7:50]  Pax Canning laughs
[7:51]  Adoveea Rau: since it was near the ground
[7:51]  Pax Canning: yes
[7:51]  Adoveea Rau: gosh that looks nasty
[7:51]  Adoveea Rau laughs
[7:51]  Pax Canning: It's terrible!
[7:51]  Pax Canning: animal abuse
[7:51]  Adoveea Rau laughs hard
[7:51]  Pax Canning grins
[7:51]  Adoveea Rau: this why I needed to test
[7:51]  Adoveea Rau: there it goes
[7:52]  Adoveea Rau: it finally did a collusion with something else
[7:52]  Pax Canning: you do great work
Summary?
You can't leave your tarn parked, someone can *kill* it with arrows *grins*, and everyone knows it too.

If al these tarnmakers adopt this AND if a few cities only allow for these particular tarns, what are my chances of getting my current tarn traded in for the improved model? I'm not exactly rolling in the Lindens to get a new tarn.

Anyone that bought an exotic tarn from me, will get that one with the 250 health meter. City tarns, right now which is only Fina- will be upgraded for free.

When I release my owns new style 250 health meter standard tarns, i will have a 3 day special of 700 linden for a standard tarn. It's a very fair price, when I look at the price of weapons, hair and clothing that warriors wear.
And for folks who didn't know this

Some OOC information you may not know.
I set up my standard tarn vendors to give 15% per sale to sim owners to help them pay for their sim tier.

When I do city tarns for city, I give the sim owner a vendor with just that city tarn in it, the city tarns are 900 Linden, and 15% of the sale is automaticallly commissioned to the sim owner, who owns the vendor, to help them with sim payment. Those in a city who get their city tarn, are donating to their sim tier.

[Darkness Vollmar]

Arrows do five points of damage per shot/every 6.7 seconds

I am confused by this statement.  Does this mean that if I hit the tarn more then once in 6.7 seconds that only 1 hit does damage?  If this is true, I do not think it is a fair feature.

I also do not see what the need is for a tarn that does not regenerate health.  I for one would probably not fly it with this feature.  I would suggest modeling your meter around the one that Havoc Rau built.  It is the most widely flown tarn.  I have never hear a complaint about its meter and I consider it to be fair.

What I am bothered by most in breeders who come out with new tarns that allow twice the meter damage, fly faster than is reasonable, or have other performance enhancers that make them unfair and ruin Tarn Battles.

We have standards for Avatars, Bows, and Swords.  All three have the same basic performance characteristics.   We would not permit an Avatar to run twice as fast as the others; we would not permit a bow that shoots as fast as the others, and we would not permit a sword that does double the damage as others.  Imagine how chaotic and lobsided battles would be if we did.   That is the current situation we have with tarns.   We need to have good standards for Tarn and enforce them.

I will gladly help test any new tarns and provide more detailed feedback as needed.

Dark

[Revenge Sempati]

@ Darkness
The desire for the new style meter is to address lot of the issues many people have with tarns in general and to bring the entire standard up to date/make a better, more realistic, mount.  People/sims tend to limit or ban tarns because they are unstoppable force of doom.  Rau Tarns are a good standard, and are what everything else tends to be measured against, but I think even they will admit it is not a perfect system and that not all change is a bad thing.
Also, I think Dove has a typo in her information it should read 0.67 seconds per arrow hit.  I tested my bow on auto against the tarn and registered each arrow strike on it.

We have also tested Dove normal tarns she has on market (that regen health) and this new tarn (no regen on health).  After an air battle (one on one) of about 30 minutes the new tarn had about half of its health, the old style healing tarn had FULL health.  So which one is more fair in combat?  The tarn that WILL go down at some point from damage, or the bird that take just as many hits but is basically uninjured?
Also, this new tarn cannot fly backwards, many tarnsmen might hate that but to me it also addresses many complaints about how unfair tarns can be.  It may have more health so initially takes a bit longer to get down, but on flip side there is no hiding in the clouds to heal it, and no flying backwards to get those nice stable shots.
Personally, I like this new meter/tarn.  It is still a fearsome bird of prey, but it also has those weaknesses that remove the overpowering aspects of existing tarns.

[Adoveea Rau]

No need to get rid of regeneration?
   And air combat goes on forever because people fly up on their tarns and hover till they and their tarn are healed then go back down. that's not taking advantage?


And Havoc didn't build the tarn health meter that everyone uses- Stephan Nephilim did.
I have the older eariler ones from him and the  version 1.1- which is what he gave Havoc and was passed out to all tarn breeders, open code.
It's very basic simple scripting work.

And I didn't change the value of acceptance of the timing of a hit from the *standard* tarn meter, that's the same.

[Adoveea Rau]

yeah *sighs* I keep mistyping that bit in both forums about the rate, mea cupla.
that's the standard rate of acceptance of arrows on the standard tarn meter-that's Rau and Tarn house.

[Darkness Vollmar]

I do hate when someone runs to 1000M.  But always considered it cowardly rather then trying to regenerate.  I have no problem fighting another havoc tarn.

[Daved Calderwood]

I didn't want to start a new thread since this had to do with tarns but i always wanted to know if it was possible to use hot air ballons as a mean of defense. Something like what they used in World War 1 to make it harder for fighter bombers to hit a strategic location. I would think since you are using hot air and maybe some sort of durable cloth you could make something that wouldnt anger the priest kings. We could also say that since the balloon itself was light weight it would prevent people from actually using it as a mode of transportation (maybe because the technology of hot air travel eludes us or that the weather patterns would not permit it).



a few of these over the city sans passenger carriage would be hell for any would be attackers using a tarn (unless of course the damn bird attacks the balloons! LOL

[Adoveea Rau]

Oh yeah to clear something up..I went badly geek on people for certain!!
a timer is in sec seconds. this is what is used in meters and other things to let scripts/programs run. It says wait X amount of time before doing the next activity in the program.

LSL Scripting: Cause the timer event to be triggered a maximum of once every sec seconds.

Translation means of sec seconds: means it's .67 for normal human beings, it's 6.7 to us insane folks who think in terms of programming in sec seconds.

Mea Culpea. (latin for my own fault)

Fines herself no cheetos for 24 hours (horrors!) for the error of decimal for standard non geeks...I can't believe I typed that in two forums....

[Mercy Riiser]

While I am a Scribe I love to fly Lady Dove's tarns. The presence of the Tarn House is what convinced me to first move to Teslit and then on to Vosk Valley. 

Recently, I was visiting a city and was attacked by someone flying overhead on his tarn taking pot shots at everyone on the ground. I double-checked to make sure I was still a member of the tarnmens group in Vosk Valley....smiled and then whistled for my tarn and went after the "warrior".  Of course he started yelling
"Foul....foul.....Scribes can't fly tarns.....Scribes can't fly tarns...!"  I proceeded to chase him until he went so high in the clouds that even the Priest-Kings could not see him.

He landed at some point and then started yapping and accusing me of playing "disney" Gor. I told him that I had not rezzed a fighter plane......had not rezzed a machine gun.....but rather called for my tarn to even the fight with my bow.

Again, while I am no warrior and certainly not skilled to fly a tarn into battle, I think we may be at a turning point in the development of tarns with Dove's latest breed. I am not sure how to begin to get agreement across Gor on the use of tarns with this non-regenerating aspect but what Dove has come up with seems to reflect a much more realistic way for tarns to be used in Gor.

[Darkness Vollmar]

Scribes do not fly tarns.  Tarns only allow a select few to fly them.  They would turn on most.   

He does not sound like a good tarnsman flying off like that.