Claiming a companion???

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[Rayzor McAuley]

I'm a Torvaldslander.  I can't boast that I've read every book cover-to-cover, but I have read the most pertinent book to the culture, Marauders of Gor.  This being said, there is no mention of the practice of "claiming" a woman as your free companion in Torvaldsland, yet the practice seems commonplace in SL Gor.  Does the practice of claiming a woman as your free companion exist in other books, or is this completely an onlineism?  Please post direct book references, not opinions such as "a man takes what he wants in Gor."  We all know that men dominate, but when a man lays claim to a female, it is usually to fit her neck in a collar.

[Anarch Allegiere]

I don't know how it goes in Torvaldsland, but in the other places of Gor Free Women and Free Men get together because of consensual agreement, from her or her family, most of the time from what I understood. Free Women usually have status and worth and are almost respected in the same manner as the status of their father or male family members. A Free Woman that would let herself be claimed would in most cases just end up finding herself in a collar... and in other cases they often get forced in one if the situation permits it.

...Goreans, in their simplistic fashion, often contend, categorically, that man is naturally free and woman is naturally slave. But even for them the issues are far more complex than these simple formulations would suggest. For example, there is no higher person, nor one more respected, than the Gorean free woman. ...Goreans do believe, however, that every woman has a natural master or set of masters, with respect to whom she could not help but be a complete and passionate slave girl. These men occur in her dreams and fantasies. She lives in terror that she might meet one in real life. ...
---Hunters of Gor, 22:311

There is no marriage, as we know it, on Gor, but there is the institution of the Free Companionship, which is its nearest correspondent. Surprisingly enough, a woman who is bought from her parents, for tarns or gold, is regarded as a Free Companion, even though she may not have been consulted in the transaction. More commendably, a free woman may herself, of her own free will, agree to be such a companion. And it is not unusual for a master to free one of his slave girls in order that she may share the full privileges of a Free Companionship. One may have, at a given time, an indefinite number of slaves, but only one Free Companion. Such relationships are not entered into lightly, and they are normally sundered only by death. Occasionally the Gorean, like his brothers in our world, perhaps even more frequently, learns the meaning of love.
---Outlaw of Gor, 6:54

This is a gray zone tho, since I'm pretty sure there will be alot of contradictory quotes in the books regarding the status of free women.

[Pax Canning]

As far as I know, the only "claiming" of a Free Woman was done in Port Kar.  No contracts or anything, just the man saying he claimed her.

[Rayzor McAuley]

I don't know how it goes in Torvaldsland, but in the other places of Gor Free Women and Free Men get together because of consensual agreement, from her or her family, most of the time from what I understood. Free Women usually have status and worth and are almost respected in the same manner as the status of their father or male family members. A Free Woman that would let herself be claimed would in most cases just end up finding herself in a collar... and in other cases they often get forced in one if the situation permits it.

...Goreans, in their simplistic fashion, often contend, categorically, that man is naturally free and woman is naturally slave. But even for them the issues are far more complex than these simple formulations would suggest. For example, there is no higher person, nor one more respected, than the Gorean free woman. ...Goreans do believe, however, that every woman has a natural master or set of masters, with respect to whom she could not help but be a complete and passionate slave girl. These men occur in her dreams and fantasies. She lives in terror that she might meet one in real life. ...
---Hunters of Gor, 22:311

There is no marriage, as we know it, on Gor, but there is the institution of the Free Companionship, which is its nearest correspondent. Surprisingly enough, a woman who is bought from her parents, for tarns or gold, is regarded as a Free Companion, even though she may not have been consulted in the transaction. More commendably, a free woman may herself, of her own free will, agree to be such a companion. And it is not unusual for a master to free one of his slave girls in order that she may share the full privileges of a Free Companionship. One may have, at a given time, an indefinite number of slaves, but only one Free Companion. Such relationships are not entered into lightly, and they are normally sundered only by death. Occasionally the Gorean, like his brothers in our world, perhaps even more frequently, learns the meaning of love.
---Outlaw of Gor, 6:54

This is a gray zone tho, since I'm pretty sure there will be alot of contradictory quotes in the books regarding the status of free women.

Indeed, I understand the rituals of the southern companionship.  The courting and the bride price and all of that.  Its just that, as long as I've been back where I belong....Torvaldsland....I've only seen one actual companionship ceremony, and that was between my daughter Tash and her FC Turbo.  They used the same ceremony that my woman and I used to be companioned ourselves....which was inspired by an actual Viking wedding ceremony.

As far as I know, the only "claiming" of a Free Woman was done in Port Kar.  No contracts or anything, just the man saying he claimed her.

Please post the quote if you are able.

[Aphris Myoo]

Claiming was for sure not done in the Plains. Kamchak just took Aphris in his sadle and rode off.

[Aphris Myoo]

I'm a Torvaldslander.  I can't boast that I've read every book cover-to-cover, but I have read the most pertinent book to the culture, Marauders of Gor. 

Maybe its based on this quote

These duels, particularly of the
formal variety, are sometimes used disreputably for gain by
unscrupulous swordsmen. A man, incredibly enough, may be
challenged by such a fellow for his farm, or his companion, or
daughter; if the challenge is not accepted, the stake is forfeit;
if the challenge is accepted, of course, he who is challenged
risks his life among the hazel wands; he may be slain; then,
too, of course, the stake, the farm, the companion, the
daughter, is surrendered by law to the challenger.

The stake in this challenge was the young man's sister, a
comely, blond lass of fourteen, with braided hair. She was
dressed in the full regalia of a free woman of the north.

It was also possible to claim a free woman, but not a custom at normal marriages. Which would probably be arranged between families.

[Rayzor McAuley]

I can see where it might be construed that way, but it does specify a challenge....which I've yet to see in the "claiming" of a woman as a man's companion.  And, if you read further about the passage dealing with the "blond lass" in question, you'll see that she wasn't wanted as a companion, but merely a slave girl....

    "Why do you challenge a baby?" asked Ivar Forkbeard.
    Bjarni looked upon him, not pleasantly. "I want the girl for Thorstein Camp," he said. "I have no quarrel with children."
    "Will she be branded there, and collared?" asked Ivar.
    "Thorstein Camp has no need for free women."

[Pax Canning]

I am afraid I don't have access to my books right now, so I can't get you a quote on the Port Kar system.  I'll try to find something online, or hopefully someone else can come to the rescue here.

[Payton999 Robonaught]

Borrowed from this post:

http://www.gor-sl.com/index.php?topic=210.0;wap2

“Port Kar does not recognize the Free Companionship, but there are free women in the city, who are known simply as the women of their men.” Raiders of Gor, p. 295

[Mandy Carbenell]

As I have been claimed once in Torvaldsland, it seems they based this on how Vikings did this, they indeed laid a claim on a woman and when she was of age she would be his. That being said, in SL Gor it's basically "I claim you, woman" and that's it. Gods, where are the romantic men??

[Mercy Riiser]

You must be hanging out with the wrong ones!   

[colin Tuck]

As I have been claimed once in Torvaldsland, it seems they based this on how Vikings did this, they indeed laid a claim on a woman and when she was of age she would be his. That being said, in SL Gor it's basically "I claim you, woman" and that's it. Gods, where are the romantic men??

sneaks in to the ladies room and leaves a red rose before sliding of in to the still of the night unseen

[Liliana Aluveaux]

Mandy... go out of gor and bring one into gor. All the romantics are out of gor XD

[colin Tuck]

Mandy... go out of gor and bring one into gor. All the romantics are out of gor XD

acts offended I am a romantic honest ask anybody ..... hmmmm no best you don't he he and goes and hides somewhere

[Grondar Quartz]

I too am offended I gave my FC  a bunch of flowers once...........................and she didnt have to pay me back either, hows that for romantic?