IC OOC.. Can you seperate?

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[dana Tehani]

I just been seeing some of this recently and it concerns me so I thought to make a post about it and see what others think of this.

For me, Gor is a game I dont do the OOC stuff, I'm here to have fun.. Once I stop having fun, I step out of the rp.. No matter what happens in rp, I believe I OOC should be having fun as should others rping with me. I will always try my best to ensure that.

This got me thinking. I come to SL as an escape to be in fantasy world and while I understand and may respect some people might take it ooc, I believe they shouldnt blend IC with OOC.. Example, you rp a Master and OOC feel great love to someone who rps a slave, no matter what your background OOC is, I think its not right to coddle her IC and treat her like a diamond because that would be untrue to your character (this is just an example). OOC you dislike someone, dont turn it into an IC issue because it will just be bitter and bad rp (hatred IC can be rped in a fun way so long its all fun and game).. This is why I hate passive aggressive emotes they allow people to tell others off without getting consequences for it.. I myself ignore them or just step away from people who do them. I'm not here to have OOC drama for things, so if someone tries to cause such, I usually stop rp with them immediately. I also like to make sure that I'm not the only one having fun.. should I find that out, I immediately stop rping with that person. I am here for fun and thats it, if that should be changed at any point or felt differently by me or another, I rather take a step back and not do the rp..

So I guess I do have to wonder, if a slave is punished IC.. is she meant to feel upset ooc too? cuz I dont believe so. When lina gets punished I make sure to have fun OOC.. IC, yeah she'd be in shit.. but OOC better be laughing and having fun.. I believe in taking consequences for what you do in rp but I hate when things get so serious OOC and thats when I would step away from the rp. I know that at times its hard not to let rp get to you.. You do have feelings derived of it, you cant help that.. but I guess my point is.. separation is essential.

I actually wanted to put this thread somewhere more general but I have no idea how to look up forums here as this is really for everyone to debate not just one sim as I think its happening everywhere.


So.. can you separate OOC from IC and what do you think? 

[Jazzy Seriman]

Too much ooc kills the rp. I can not stand having someone in my IM all the time. If you want to know me, then RP me. Don't send me IM's emoting actions and saying things that should be kept IC. I am here for a good story, fun and fantasy. I do not want to see your real life picture or hear your voice on skype, it ruins the image I create as we roleplay. Too often, it seems people drag OOC into it and someone gets hurt or angry. I guess for me, I tend to avoid those types. I am sorry if you are lonely, I am sorry if you are hurt...I am not here to deal with those sorts of issues.

Really, we are on a RP sim...why not just roleplay? Should you have an ooc relationship with your significant other, great for you. Just respect the fact that many of us are not here for that. ICly, Jazzy adores Mott. OOCly, the person driving Jazzy around barely knows the guy thats driving Mott around. It works for us!

I do love my ooc friends though. I will talk in IM, just dont expect me to RP with you in my IM and do not expect to sweep me off my feet in IM. Again, I am not here for that...if I were in need of a real life man, I wouldn't spend my evenings on SL...more then likely I would be logged onto match.com. 

[dana Tehani]

I think so long a separation is done.. for me, there are a few I have gone a bit more ooc with, but thats my choice and ofcourse they wanted it too. It has to be double sided. I guess what matters here is, to me.. I dont bring that into my rp nor do they theirs and thats what is most important. I think Jazzy if thats the case and someone keeps doing that to someone not willing, I would call that OOC harassment and thats just wrong to me.

When I was spying in another sim I had few men IMing me wanting to use lina in IM.. and I was like.. " ummm I only do that IC".. to each their own, I suppose.. some may like it but I definitely dont like IC stuff done in my IM. I like to keep my IM OOC and would gladly remind anyone I'm no slave in IM if it went that way.. I suppose so long they respect and understand it, life is good ;-)

[Anarch Allegiere]

That's how it should be in an ideal RP environment.

Most often tho alot of people do put alot of time and effort into some of the RP they create, and good involving RP requires the 'creator' to put at least some passion and emotion into whatever his/her character is doing, and that sometimes causes people to become really passionate and emotional about whatever happens to their storylines in RP. It are after all human beings behind the keyboard and not machines.

People should RP what they like to RP while trying to stay as true to the books as possible.
The only big "no no" is using passive-agressive emotes and OOC drama / insults.

My affection for my slave might be strong OOCly as we've grown pretty close in a RL manner.
But she still will get properly (read: badly) treated, just as a slave would be treated IC.

[Olympia Oakleaf]

Little does Lina know that I've actually fallen madly in love with her and bought a plane ticket to Aussiland at which point I shall show up at her door... with candy!

[dana Tehani]

I think my question here will have to be....... Exactly how much candy? lolol  And then I will decide whether you should come or not.. I have standards ya know 

[Jazzy Seriman]

I agree, dana. I won't do RP in IM.

Roleplay should be fun. If it becomes something that bothers you in real life, then it should stop. Some people are made of tougher stuff then others. While, RP death doesn't effect many, to others its just too real and ugly to act out.

A slave that is miserable in her collar and it brings her distress OOC, she should reconsider that collar. And yes, she can on an OOC level. Fun and fantasy, a good story...thats why we are all here. Not misery, hurt and bitterness. Same as the Free that suddenly feels a constant burden over having to be responsible for his/her slave...time to make changes. It becomes obvious to everyone around, when someone is having OOC issues.

[dana Tehani]

good point Jazzy and it got me to thinking the following:

no matter what role you play I believe each of us are here mainly for ourselves, to have fun.. have a laugh.. whatever your goal is.  I find it really sad when people force themselves to rp with people they hate doing so with or be with someone they really dont enjoy being with ooc.

So, I think the first question you should ask yourself is ooc.. Is this what I want? because as long as you are happy with your rp you can easily spread the joy, when you arent it becomes into drama and feeds into it. You cant have fun with others if you are miserable in your own rp.

Example for this:

You are someone who rps a slave and want someone who will give you attention IC now by that I definitely dont mean coddling I mean rp. So if you are a person who wants to rp a lot with the man/woman you are collared to ensure that they are around for it and willing to do it. If they arent, look somewhere else. If you are okay with rping very little with your Owner or prefer that, then look for someone like that. Yeah be selfish OOC make sure you are satisfied in that rp and no it wont make you less slave like, I think it will make you happier in your role and most likely to have fun and for others to have fun around you. Now for me for example I wanted to be in the Village and be a Peasant slave cuz I rp lina to be more of a "less graceful and wanted" slave. She is a mere kettle slave so thats why I went that way with the rp cuz thats what I enjoy rping lina as. Now I chose Wanita cuz she is a drama free person OOC and cuz she is fun.. though we dont rp together daily but when we do I always end up laughing. So for me, I create my own rp and Nita being my Owner adds to its flavor. I IM her too to say hi, not cuz that she is obliged to do so OOC but cuz I find her a good friend OOC too (and thats separate from rp and regardless of what happens there).

This goes for any role really. If you are FM IC rping a role you totally hate, well then.. dont! Rp what you want and like. If being a low Caste makes you enjoy rp more, then do it.. if you like the fights.. become a Warrior.. etc etc.. nothing wrong with changing direction if done in the right way IC.

[Xaz Elephas]

I think what happens a lot is people get so wrapped up into the role-play in Gor and I think we all can agree that at times the role-play in Gor can be very intense, that the lines between OOC and IC become a bit gray with some people. Even the best actor’s irl when they leave the movie sets need some down time to get back in touch with rl from fantasy. I don't like people role-playing in my Ims. It annoys me to be called Master or Tal Killer in my Ims but so many people do and I have just taken to the.. They are just still wrapped up in there acting. So, I just don't let it bother me anymore.

As for ooc chats, I don't do it. Nothing like running a mood of that sexeh slave who is a vision of beauty in Gor and then on skype she sounds worse then daffy duck to ruin that vision of what I see her as in Gor... or that brute of a warrior in Gor who is the Cohan of Gor...the BTB Gorean man, yet in voice he sounds like that kid singer beaver something-or-another...   I keep IC where it belongs, in game.

[Rayzor McAuley]

I've always made the effort to keep a definitive line between IC and OOC.  Whether I'm jolly, or grumpy, or angry, its all just RP if its done in local chat.  Unfortunately, some people do get their feelings hurt.  Recently, I had someone remove me from their contacts because i was RPing being angry at the man for claiming my sister as his companion.  While I know that Northern Gor is basically lawless, I expected him to show some respect to a friend (me) and at least state his intentions before hand, especially considering the long history that we've had in Gor.  Well, I thought the RP went quite well, and people who witnessed it thought it did too.  Next thing I know, he had unfriended me and my woman (guilt by association I guess).  It came as a shock to me, because I've always been quite clear that its all role-play, and if you have a problem OOCly about something that happens IC, you better IM me and let me know that you're uncomfortable.  Nothing in this game is worth getting that upset over.

[Carter Ebbage]

It surprises me when people after a while get to know Carter in IM's.. no he isnt a belligerent loud mouthed man

(ermmm well sometimes)

I do like it when people say "I was so intimidated by you the first few times I saw you ".. it tells me I am able to project something IC that OOC is not part of my personality

The IM's are the worst invention in SL.. hate hate hate hate. It kills my RP, kills my enjoyment and I dont come to SL to discuss the weather in Atlanta.

If I wanted to be part of a general chit chat environment.. I would be in a yahoo chat room..not a gorean RP environment.

I wish Sl would come up with an option to turn off IM's when you dont want to hear that ping ping ping ping on your computer.

[Victor Warilard]

Once I was roleplaying being so angry with a captive he sent me an apology in IM! I assured him it was just rp.

I do think though this has become a problem recently with certain people confusing and or mixing OOC with IC. Not getting what they want OOC so taking it out IC or vice versa. That is harassment and there is no place for that crap. Victor is not "me." It is my cartoon character. Some people I have gotten to know OOC much better than others, but that is the choice of the people behind the keyboard and cannot be dictated in game.

[Rayzor McAuley]

I wish Sl would come up with an option to turn off IM's when you dont want to hear that ping ping ping ping on your computer.

If you have the Imprudence viewer (Emerald too, I think) you can at least put an auto-response message.  Mine states "Ho #f !  If I'm in RP, or if I just logged on, it might be a little while before I respond."  The "#f" function inserts their name in the sentence.  That way, they know I'm busy and will get back to them at my earliest convenience.  And if the pinging sound annoys you, just pull up your viewer's volume controls and mute the Interface volume.  Simple.

However, I think that IMs are a valuable resource.  They should be used if someone's not comfortable with the RP that's going on, or even just to keep ((OOC)) bullshit out of local chat.

[Isabella Bergiere]

I like to keep OOC and IC firmly separated. 

Although I have to admit I was almost as gutted as my charater when Laja pretended I had failed that exam - so it definitely leaks over!

There are people I hate or fight/bicker with IC - but talk away to OOC.   It's acting 

[Payton999 Robonaught]

To save myself from a long and drawn out reply, I'll say this:  I always find it interesting when people like Dana or Vic will IM me mid-scene to say "Are you OK"-give me a good laugh.  Pay as a char is erm..well she's her.  And while a lot of the things that drive my char are brought on by me and perhaps at times RL influences, she's still, just a fictional gor player.  The one I'm chit chatting with outside, helping with issues, etc, etc, is the me me.