FW from Earth?

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February 2012

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[Randall Reich]

Virginia, an earth girl brought on a ship,  and slave of the House of Cernus,  becomes a Free Woman at the end of Assassin of Gor.

He removed from her throat the slave collar.
"No!" she said.  "Please, no!" She looked at him, suddenly afraid. "No!" she cried "Keep me, Keep me!"
"Would you consent" asked Relius, "to be the companion of a Warrior?"
"Companion?" she asked
Relius nodded his head.  He held her very gently.  She looked at him unable to comprehend his words.
"It is the hope of Relius" said he, " that the Free Woman Virginia, might care for a simple Warrior, one who much loves her, and accept him as her companion"
She could not speak.  There were tears bright in her eyes. She began to cry to laugh.
"Drink with me the cup of Free Companionship" said Relius rather sternly
"Yes Master" said Virginia "yes!"
"Relius", said he.
"I love you!" she cried "I love you Relius!"

I was about to post this, Mine, but you quoted the exact passage, verbatim. 

Great minds and so forth. 

[Kate Hellmann]

Once you are freed and your companion dies you remain free.

**BLACK ICE**

agree 


It's a legal staus;  she would be as safe as any other FW within her own homestone. 

But she is from Earth. Would her homestone be the homestone of her former companion?
& What if she travels, what then?

[Isabella Bergiere]

I think...

She would have had to have sworn on the homestone to become a legal citizen, but yes this could be done in any city and it would make sense to be that of her former FC

I think if she had sworn on a homestone it would supercede her Earth origins.

And if she travelled she would be as safe as any other FW - safe as long as she had a guard or escort etc..      without this - totally not safe at all.

B xx

[Toihva Svenson]

I think...

She would have had to have sworn on the homestone to become a legal citizen, but yes this could be done in any city and it would make sense to be that of her former FC

I think if she had sworn on a homestone it would supercede her Earth origins.

And if she travelled she would be as safe as any other FW - safe as long as she had a guard or escort etc..      without this - totally not safe at all.

B xx

have to disagree.   Given that the passage quoting the Merchant Law was made to a woman of Earth who was a Free Woman already settles the debate.  One can not change that they are 'of Earth'.   The best a FW who is of Earth is to conceal it.

[Kate Hellmann]

have to disagree.   Given that the passage quoting the Merchant Law was made to a woman of Earth who was a Free Woman already settles the debate.  One can not change that they are 'of Earth'.   The best a FW who is of Earth is to conceal it.

So blend in as a Gorean FW as much as possable, or live as a She-Urt.

[Isabella Bergiere]

I think...

She would have had to have sworn on the homestone to become a legal citizen, but yes this could be done in any city and it would make sense to be that of her former FC

I think if she had sworn on a homestone it would supercede her Earth origins.

And if she travelled she would be as safe as any other FW - safe as long as she had a guard or escort etc..      without this - totally not safe at all.

B xx

have to disagree.   Given that the passage quoting the Merchant Law was made to a woman of Earth who was a Free Woman already settles the debate.  One can not change that they are 'of Earth'.   The best a FW who is of Earth is to conceal it.

Yes exactly!  I completely agree and the best way to hide it would be to get the protection of a homestone 

[Valleri Xue]

I haven't read a book where it happens, but BTB the only way I can see it happening is if she was FC'd to a Gorean man.  Earth women come to Gor without two of the three pillars of Gor which makes it VERY hard to merge into the culture.  They don't have a caste, and they don't have a homestone.

I am from Earth, and I recently tried to squeeze myself into the cities.  It was HARD.  Basically, I found a friend who was willing to claim me as her sister so that I could call her caste my caste, and her homestone my homestone.  It's hard to petition a high council to accept you into a caste you have no experience in.

I eventually gave up and went back into the woods.  Maybe next time.

[Matthius Attis]

basically barbarians werent allowed to be free it would have been rediculous and perposterous to a gorean to free a barbarian... and please keep in mind... dont use Tarl as an example... as we all aremember He was a bit of a sissy boy .... commonly slaves in gor were just not freed... for several reasons... one it would take large extenuating circumstances for this to happen.. such as the slaves her spied for marlenus in assasins.... 2 if they were freed... what would they do?... slaves have no caste family or homestone... they would simply be outlaws..... yay Im free!! oh shit i just got impaled for bein an outlaw well damn....  there is an old gorean saying that many should keep in mind when doing such......... only a fool frees a slave.

[Nova Coba]

Yes.  I was brought from Earth as a Kajiara at first, then I asked for release and have been a free woman ever since. In character I do make references that confuse those around me, (and have cause a few coffee spews from the typists). It is well known in my camp that I am from Earth. "Errr... Nova, is that another strange Earth custom?" seems to be the catch phrase.

There are PLENTY of Kajiara.  The men really prefer having me at their shoulder with my bow, than at my knees at their heel.     (well being from earth with it's higher gravity, I am much shorter, more like up to their rib cage)

[serene mistwood]

There are PLENTY of Kajiara.  The men really prefer having me at their shoulder with my bow, than at my knees at their heel.     (well being from earth with it's higher gravity, I am much shorter, more like up to their rib cage)

Gorean men prefer to have a woman with a bow at their side than a kajira at their feet... really?   

[Caliway]

IF...

The Earth Girl who was taken to earth was somehow made a free woman...

and IF...

that free woman remained within the safety of her homestone...

and IF...

that Homestone had no prior knowledge that she was a Girl from earth...

and IF...

that Free Woman from earth managed to completely keep secret her origins...

and IF...

that Free woman of earth gave no other cause to be punished with a slave's collar...

THEN...

there is no reason why that Free Woman of Earth should be collared. 

However, Should ANY of these Criteria not be met, then she runs the risk of a collar. 

[Moon Firegrave]

Yes.  I was brought from Earth as a Kajiara at first, then I asked for release and have been a free woman ever since. In character I do make references that confuse those around me, (and have cause a few coffee spews from the typists). It is well known in my camp that I am from Earth. "Errr... Nova, is that another strange Earth custom?" seems to be the catch phrase.

There are PLENTY of Kajiara.  The men really prefer having me at their shoulder with my bow, than at my knees at their heel.     (well being from earth with it's higher gravity, I am much shorter, more like up to their rib cage)

I find your post interesting but honestly also hard to believe, that a Gorean Man would prefer to have you at their shoulders with a bow than on your knees. That is against the very philosophy and fiber of Gor. Freewoman do not wantonly wield weapons and combat, only in special circumstances when defending their Homestone or their honour.

In combat a Gorean Warrior would want another Gorean Warrior at his shoulder as brothers in arms.
Woman do not have the strength to combat against Gorean Men.
Just a thought..
 

[Callista Vaughan]

Woman do not have the strength to combat against Gorean Men.

While I agree with the opposition of female outlaws and female warrior types in general, I wonder if Verna and her band would agree with you on this point specifically, Moon.

I'm reminded of the scene in "Hunters" where two panther girls had crossbows trained on the men of Tyros.

Like it or not, panther girls could be formidable foes in the books.

[Moon Firegrave]

Woman do not have the strength to combat against Gorean Men.

While I agree with the opposition of female outlaws and female warrior types in general, I wonder if Verna and her band would agree with you on this point specifically, Moon.

I'm reminded of the scene in "Hunters" where two panther girls had crossbows trained on the men of Tyros.

Like it or not, panther girls could be formidable foes in the books.

I believe it is common knowledge that woman are, were and never will be any comparrison in combat with a Gorean Man.

[Callista Vaughan]

Before I begin, I want to assert that I am merely debating this as an intellectual point. Not out of a sense of "I'm right, you're wrong," etc etc. The statement made that it's "common knowledge" is a bit bristling to me.

Spoiler ((Sorry, Subtle!! )):

Because, well, it is common knowledge in "Hunters" that Tarl Cabot (Bosk of Port Kar) and his men were ambushed and taken prisoner by women. They had their heads shaved and were utterly humiliated before Marlenus saved the day.

Now, before it's brought up that the men were -drugged- (which is entirely true), let's remember that it was the women who arranged their drugging.

And so while I agree that women of Gor will never be as physically strong and capable in a hand-to-hand battle, let's not discount the ingenuity and craftiness of a scheming woman. Or heck, a whole band of them. Let's also not forget the instances of women who have taken up arms in defense of their cities or their households. It is a very -rare- thing, to be sure. Certainly not enough to justify whole sims and hordes full of female warriors. But still, if you want me to dig for the quotes, I will.

Just something to consider.