Iron Hall concludes RP with Treve

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[Victor Warilard]

I don't ever go on the boards, so this should tell you how strongly I feel about this.

I watched the attack on Ironhall yesterday from the safety of another sim, and I was very disappointed when the return attack on Treve was called invalid. At the time Ironhall was attacked, there was three men of Ironhall on sim. The amount of Trevian men that stormed the City was absolutely ridiculous, but in hopes to not start the crying already, Ironhall went with it, because really, who wants to be the sore loser?

After reading the comments above I frankly don’t believe you. Anarch says he checked before attacking. In no way was the difference as great as the counter attack your people launched on Treve.

What I don't think people realize was happening was, in our group chat people were going back and forth, making sure they had the correct information via rp, traveling to get allies, finding out in game that multiple cities were hit at once. Great planing on Treve's part, I will say that, and Ironhall responded in every vaild way they could. However, people are getting fed up, and are going to call their allies to help. You say there was 23, others counted 18, it doesn't really matter, I'll give you the extra 5 people. What matters is, people came to fight, and they hit Treve hard, because honestly, if you go in with the same amount as the defenders, you can not win. You have a very comfy set up, and also your own special weapon that may or may not be faster than a normal sword script, and your rules are slanted so that it takes a miracle for you to lose.

Once again, this is a crock. We have had people hit us with fewer men than we have on sim and defeated us. If you need 23 to defeat 10 then your people need to spend more time practicing. Minus is not walled and easily stormed. The weapon you refer to is not used by most men and is not as good as a Primus sword or one from H & S. Rather than test the weapon and decide, it serves your purposes to make up this crap and cry victim.

Ironhall bended to accept your raid on it, they lost, accepted and went to RP, and no matter what you say, you only called in the raid ratio rule when you started to lose.

That is simply not true. We acknowledged our mistake in not stopping it earlier. That was because of poor communication between our mods. When someone first lands on the tp point in Treve, a message pops up saying raids must have roughly equal numbers. You simply decided to ignore the rule and went ahead. Whereas Anarch got clearance ahead of time and worked with your mods, your people showed no interest in abiding by rules of another sim. We have allowed other sims to attack with greater numbers, but they had the decency to ask ahead of time and explain why. We had over 60 people on the sim and lag was a monster. If you had worked with us we could have had people leave who were not involved and agreed on a workable number.

Its poor sportsmanship, and if I was RPing there, waiting for a rescue, I'd be pretty upset. I think you fail to realize that Ironhall is not a pew pew group. The people in sim are there to rp, and it's pretty sucky when we allowed you to raid here, (though we know perfectly well that if we are taken to Treve, its pretty much a three day cap because Treve can easily be defended with 5 people to 10 attackers) then rescue get called invalid for a rule that was broken on sim, but we allowed to slide.

On top of all of that, the mockery of an apology that was sent around was salt in the wound. In one breath you were apologizing, the next you were telling people in the future what to do. Personally, I like this part:

3. Bringing Moderators to Treve without prior agreement is a recipe for further confusion, please respect in the way we do with your lands.. its your rules, your decisions, you have appointed people you trust to moderate and behave impartially. Pllease respect we have done the same and contact us before hand if you wish to bring an outside Moderator to assist...but as in your Sims.. our Moderators decisions are final..they may not get it right all the time.. but then again they are human.

Obviously, you can not behave impartially, everyone should be able to see that from the crap you pulled in the other cities. Our mods were there to make sure that Ironhall caps got RPed. Previous experience of people being captured in Treve was them being left alone in the cells without any RP, and sticking it out past any 30 min limit time, till it was to the point of ridiculous. They were there in the interest of their people... as obviously you are modding for your own.

Once again you don’t know what you are talking about. In actual fact, we allowed all captives to go yet some of yours wanted to stay and continue the rp because they were enjoying it. For a mod from another sim to come OOC during combat and make no effort to communicate what she was doing was disrespectful.

To further show that your apology is a mockery, you post to Ironhall's polite answer on a public forum. "Hey everyone, look I said I am sorry, but they still don't wanna hangout with us." It really shows that while yes, you "apologized" it was more for making yourself look good, than truly being sorry. It can be related to when a guy breaks up with a girl via e-mail, then guy posts it on facebook reply. "You're not dumping me, I'm dumping you."

Actually, that's pretty funny.


To sum this up, Treve, you have some great people there, but really, any of this "war" RP has been more of a headache then any sort of fun. I wish you well, have fun on your inaccessible sim, downing poor suckers who don't know any better, I think Ironhall has learned it lesson.

The notice was published in a Treve forum so people could see what happened.  You are very silly if you think Ironhall matters that much to Treve’s rp. The fact that you continue to refuse to admit any of your errors shows you have learned nothing.

[Mordachai Draegonne]

We have fought and lost against torvies on several occasions, while being outnumberred and we went along with it. Ive seen torvies attack in league with Kurii, which we frowned upon, but we went along with it. As for those silly "30 mins no RP and im out" limits, those are great... just dont bother me with them when you attack me on my homesim...especially not if i have made plans to do other things. If i raid somewhere and i get captured, i stay till im rescued or till i escape or the 3 day cap is over. Ofcourse, getting some RP out of it ig fantastic, and i welcome it, but im not going to demand anyone to RP with me when im the one raiding.. they did not ask for it so tough luck for me.

As to the whole sword issue, at the time of the tyr's fist assauly, we were right in the middle of our First Sword contest. The warriors had been sparring for hours on end, day after day, and let me tell you... Most of us prefer LR or H&S weapons and i saw but few who used the Treve sword in that raid. Granted, it was not on the list. granted, they had been told after the first warning.. one or two apparantly did not get that message and i believe an apology was made for that.

What i did witness however was us coming in with 14 warriors, and we were surrounded at the docks by a superior force. That to me suggests OOC knowledge that is being used IC. Aye, we sometimes have OOC knowledge of events aswell, but guess what... we dont surround our raidpoint with all the warriors we have, hoping to be able to cut down the enemy in an instant. No, we go about our business and wait for the alarms to ring, because thats what they are there for. Now i dont know how often any of you fight, but ive learned that if im facing numbers larger then my own, im not going to go write an essay when i do a binding. My three lines are going to be as concise as possible, because before you know it, there is an enemy behind you.

What i also saw was that, apart from the warriors and the mods, the sim was almost empty. There were no slaves or Free Women around, something that to me again shows ooc knowledge. Our slaves and Free Women arent told anything when we know a raid is happening, if they get caught up in it.. bad luck.



As stated before, Treve has apologized for mistaked made, but it keeps being brought up.. and i have yet to see any of you being as mature about it as we have.

[Isabella Bergiere]

What i also saw was that, apart from the warriors and the mods, the sim was almost empty. There were no slaves or Free Women around, something that to me again shows ooc knowledge. Our slaves and Free Women arent told anything when we know a raid is happening, if they get caught up in it.. bad luck.

Yes we are.  Perhaps not officially but it definitely happens and I have been warned frequently by IM.   
I personally will not react until I know IC though.

It doesn't matter what OOC knowledge we have so long as we don't use it; and from what I can tell most of the FW and slaves do try to go about their business.

[Mordachai Draegonne]

What i also saw was that, apart from the warriors and the mods, the sim was almost empty. There were no slaves or Free Women around, something that to me again shows ooc knowledge. Our slaves and Free Women arent told anything when we know a raid is happening, if they get caught up in it.. bad luck.

Yes we are.  Perhaps not officially but it definitely happens and I have been warned frequently by IM.   
I personally will not react until I know IC though.

It doesn't matter what OOC knowledge we have so long as we don't use it; and from what I can tell most of the FW and slaves do try to go about their business.

The point i was trying to make is that , in case of prior knowledge of a raid, we dont send a notice to landgroup. Thus the majority doesnt know a raid is going to happen. Ofcourse, some people have the info because everyone knows everyone in Gor these days, and OOC info spreads like wildfire.

[Carter Ebbage]

On top of all of that, the mockery of an apology that was sent around was salt in the wound. In one breath you were apologizing, the next you were telling people in the future what to do. Personally, I like this part:

3. Bringing Moderators to Treve without prior agreement is a recipe for further confusion, please respect in the way we do with your lands.. its your rules, your decisions, you have appointed people you trust to moderate and behave impartially. Pllease respect we have done the same and contact us before hand if you wish to bring an outside Moderator to assist...but as in your Sims.. our Moderators decisions are final..they may not get it right all the time.. but then again they are human.

Again we have allowed outside moderators to join us.. we even recently did this with Olni....WITH prior agreement... it was arrogant, confusing, disconnected in somebody wandering around with an OOC tag in middle of a battle that nobody knows who the hell they are making decisions on a sim that she has no part of.. with no access to the communications groups that Treve Mods used.. its was arrogant and disprectful and added to the confusion doing that.. I said in group to eject her... and if I hadnt been captured and being held in Axe Fjord.. i would have booted her.

Obviously, you can not behave impartially, everyone should be able to see that from the crap you pulled in the other cities. Our mods were there to make sure that Ironhall caps got RPed. Previous experience of people being captured in Treve was them being left alone in the cells without any RP, and sticking it out past any 30 min limit time, till it was to the point of ridiculous. They were there in the interest of their people... as obviously you are modding for your own.

Again, the first time anybody has said this.. so your suggestion is to send moderators.. not have a discussion, not have a constructive and adult conversation.. your solution is to overide the organisation of a sim 4-5 times larger than your own and make decisions about a sim and its rules you are not part of.. no wonder there was so much confusion with this sort of behaviour.

To further show that your apology is a mockery, you post to Ironhall's polite answer on a public forum. "Hey everyone, look I said I am sorry, but they still don't wanna hangout with us." It really shows that while yes, you "apologized" it was more for making yourself look good, than truly being sorry. It can be related to when a guy breaks up with a girl via e-mail, then guy posts it on facebook reply. "You're not dumping me, I'm dumping you."

Actually, that's pretty funny.

This forum is run by the Head of Scribe Treve.. you will note this section is called Treve Role Play... we use it to communicate to the 260 people in Treve across the many time zones and continents of our members.. posting this in a web based forum for Treve Citizens is no different to sending out a group notice.. and incidentally .. the Note from Ironhall was "dear Treve".. so why not distribute to the citizens of Treve and what better way to show transparency of why Ironhall "concluded" this RP.

To sum this up, Treve, you have some great people there, but really, any of this "war" RP has been more of a headache then any sort of fun. I wish you well, have fun on your inaccessible sim, downing poor suckers who don't know any better, I think Ironhall has learned it lesson.

I am sorry that a village with no walls, no spikes, no damage scripts is considered inaccessible, or a city with a path leading to a small 10m high wall is also so hard to attack.. a sim with only one group access door..eg the main gates of treve is considered such a HUGE obstacle to attack... or that a simple raid rule asking for Equal, more or less, attackers to defenders is such a hardship and we clearly state in our raid rules "IF YOU ARENT SURE... ask a MOD" and its a rule we do waiver.. with prior consent.

and what I find totally underhand in this.. i came to ironhall immediately after the event to apologise and talk.  I received several IM's people in Ironhall who spotted me on radar to say thank you for the note that was already circulating... the owners/administrators said nothing other than to drop me a Notecard with no explanation after I had also visited the other sims involved.

. and perhaps thats the lesson for Ironhall.. talk, debate, discussion, dialogue, communication... this is the first time I have ever heard of any complaints or gripes.

Anyway.. enough.. I have a speeding ticket to pay, a daughter going off to university next week, a business plan to write and I need to stop getting so worked up over a cyber world and focus on important issues.

[A Simple Torvi Man]

Carter, What you fail to relize is, Your own people brag about being able to take on more then one at a time in the forums here when they talked about the raid on treve, yet you cant deal with being SLIGHTLY outnumbered? I was the "Misterius" mod you speak of i followed the counter raid from 3 moons and counted them as they left the docks there was 18 men on this raid that you cried invaild on. also on your equipment i have this

The Treveian Gladius isent even legal apon there own weapon list, the ONLY the prim work is done by Lotus Mistwallow, whom No Longer Makes Weapons avilable to the public for testing,

Also the script work is done by  Grave Revnik whom owns builds and runs "Knights Innovation's Armory!" witch is NOT on Treve's weapon list

All weapon testers know that the test is not about who does the prim work but the script, prims do not make the weapon, but its the script, useing Treve's Gladius is no diffrent then My self or others building a one prim box and placeing a sword script with in it and calling it our own so that we can use it within our sims.

Moveing on to the Treve Shield, Apon inspectin this i saw no issues with the shield, Shields are inpossable to fake or hack, as the script is distributed No Mod by the Creators of the Gorean meter, the only diffrinces in shields are the Animtions and sounds witch are Accessed via a notecard place in the shield script. There for I Deem the Shield Legal on all sim that allow shields.

Lastly i Move on to the Tarn of Treve

The Tarn of Treve start at 250 HP... and takes about 5 damage every arrow hit the math on that rounds out at about 50 hits to kill.
Toran Ultamate Tarn, a Commenly know and used Tarn starts at 250 HP as well how ever it takes 28 arrow
Black Rose Tarns start at 100% and take about 15 hits to down.
House of Rau start at 100 and take about 15 as well
Sang'Fori Also Starts at 100 and takes about also 15 hits
J&B Designs Also Starts at 100 and takes about  15 hits as well

Tarn House Tarns as used by Treve made by Adoveea Rau are available to the public how ever it is clear that these tarns are far stronger then the Tarns Commenly accepted by most other sims also the Creator of these tarns Sells the Tarns in very few places, one of witch is even on Treve's outter sims, Also these sites are not available in search when you search the name of her "Store" you would only beable to find these sits by the following methoids.

1) Vastly Exploreing the lands outside of Treve
2) Exploreing Main land
3) Knowing Exactly what you are looking for Via her profile witch Requires inspection of the Tarns.

  *Note* Apon visitng the Pick for Ka'Zahr, I was unable to locate the Creator's Vender, there was no Sky market and the tp Took to the Role Play area only.

Also these Tarns Have Auto  Cricleing,  and Multiple speeds Basicly these Tarns are Helocopter scripts placed within a Tarn Prim structure

Your Sword isen't even legal apon your own sim...hmmmm wow Its no wonder people complain,

I have taken part in 5 Raids involveing Treve, This last one being the 5th and every single time and every single time when its in Treve, when Treve didn't win i saw the Oh so famliur Blue Message in the corner " Carter Ebbage: Invaild, Raiders go home" Twice have i seen that, and Each time i Do see that i Also see the Men of Treve Continuing to Fire apon the invaiders...WOW sounds like poor communication on your part Carter

The 1 time it wasnt invaildated on your turf the men of the north had lost, and Your men were waiting 30 minutes before we made it to the ground to raid apon tarns, hmmm....that sounds like Metagameing to me...

for those whom dont know.

In role-playing games, metagaming is the use of out-of-character knowledge in an in-character situation. A character played by a metagamer does not act in a way that reflects the character's in-game experiences and back-story.

All of the north honored it reguardless witch btw I counted the numbers then we had 25 going in on that one and we out numbered you then as well atleast 2:1

ALOT of the captives from that raid got little to no RP...

Also in closeing... you raid 3 Torive Villages in one day, and Dont Expect them to come raid you back? WTF? I would have defently planned on it! But then again I am Military in Real Life and i Know Not all of Gorean Warriors have military background. As for those of Ironhall and Tyr's with there responces here I applaud you Sirs and Ladies

[A Simple Torvi Man]

PS Yes i know my Spelling is Horrible

[Mordachai Draegonne]

As far as the tarns go, Adovee who makes them roleplays as a tarnbreeder. Her shop is therefor in a Roleplaying sim, and if you wish to buy one you rp buying one from her. The entire creating of treve tarns was a big RP event itself, and as far as i know.. dove sells several tarn with as much HP and the same stats as the treven tarn.. but it also comes with a disadvantage. The trevetarn cant fly backwards, as most tarns can. Therefor if we overshoot a target, we have to fly round and circle back to re-acquire it.

A point was made about trevens being on tarnback waiting. Aye, youll find trevens already flying when a raid is happening.. we actually RP doing patrols, flying round our sim and the ones connected to it. That being said, actual fighting on tarns does not have my preference...mainly because im better at swordfighting. I will almost always land my tarn and get into the brawl on foot.

[Victor Warilard]

Carter, What you fail to relize is, Your own people brag about being able to take on more then one at a time in the forums here when they talked about the raid on treve, yet you cant deal with being SLIGHTLY outnumbered? I was the "Misterius" mod you speak of i followed the counter raid from 3 moons and counted them as they left the docks there was 18 men on this raid that you cried invaild on. also on your equipment i have this

Slightly outnumbered??? 23 –and yes—the number was counted more than once—against 10 is not SLIGHTLY outnumbered. More arrived after the raid started. Why is it so hard for you to understand what is wrong with that when the rules so clearly state it is not acceptable? You even get a pop up message when you arrive telling you that.

As far as the mysterious mod is concerned, we were talking about Branwyn Emerald. If you brought two of your own mods to be OOC and watch, that is even worse.

The Treveian Gladius isent even legal apon there own weapon list, the ONLY the prim work is done by Lotus Mistwallow, whom No Longer Makes Weapons avilable to the public for testing,

Also the script work is done by  Grave Revnik whom owns builds and runs "Knights Innovation's Armory!" witch is NOT on Treve's weapon list

All weapon testers know that the test is not about who does the prim work but the script, prims do not make the weapon, but its the script, useing Treve's Gladius is no diffrent then My self or others building a one prim box and placeing a sword script with in it and calling it our own so that we can use it within our sims.

Moveing on to the Treve Shield, Apon inspectin this i saw no issues with the shield, Shields are inpossable to fake or hack, as the script is distributed No Mod by the Creators of the Gorean meter, the only diffrinces in shields are the Animtions and sounds witch are Accessed via a notecard place in the shield script. There for I Deem the Shield Legal on all sim that allow shields.

Lastly i Move on to the Tarn of Treve

The Tarn of Treve start at 250 HP... and takes about 5 damage every arrow hit the math on that rounds out at about 50 hits to kill.
Toran Ultamate Tarn, a Commenly know and used Tarn starts at 250 HP as well how ever it takes 28 arrow
Black Rose Tarns start at 100% and take about 15 hits to down.
House of Rau start at 100 and take about 15 as well
Sang'Fori Also Starts at 100 and takes about also 15 hits
J&B Designs Also Starts at 100 and takes about  15 hits as well

Tarn House Tarns as used by Treve made by Adoveea Rau are available to the public how ever it is clear that these tarns are far stronger then the Tarns Commenly accepted by most other sims also the Creator of these tarns Sells the Tarns in very few places, one of witch is even on Treve's outter sims, Also these sites are not available in search when you search the name of her "Store" you would only beable to find these sits by the following methoids.

1) Vastly Exploreing the lands outside of Treve
2) Exploreing Main land
3) Knowing Exactly what you are looking for Via her profile witch Requires inspection of the Tarns.

  *Note* Apon visitng the Pick for Ka'Zahr, I was unable to locate the Creator's Vender, there was no Sky market and the tp Took to the Role Play area only.

Also these Tarns Have Auto  Cricleing,  and Multiple speeds Basicly these Tarns are Helocopter scripts placed within a Tarn Prim structure

Your Sword isen't even legal apon your own sim...hmmmm wow Its no wonder people complain,

I would be surprised if anyone used that gladius. I did test it and approve it, but as I advised the men, it is very slow and performs poorly compared to other weapons available. Some use the sheath because they like the looks. There is a Sword of Treve made by Primal Weapons which is more likely the one that was being used. It is much better, but is outperformed by the Primus and H&S swords. It can be made available for testing, but since you all prefer to claim victimhood rather than deal with the truth I doubt anyone will bother.

The Treve tarn is the same tarn as is available from Dove Tarns. She is not part of Treve and is on another sim. She makes city tarns for Fina and others as well. What you conveniently leave out in your eternal quest for sympathy from the great oppressors is that her tarns do not fly backwards like Rau and Toran tarns, are much more difficult to maneuver, do not have oil bombs, baskets for carrying several men and do not regenerate health like the others do. If I want to use the best tarn for merely fighting purposes, I would rather use my Toran or Rau tarn, but I think Dove’s are more realistic. The auto-circling feature you mention is worthless for combat. Basically you are looking for any excuse to blame Treve and not take responsibility for your own actions.

I have taken part in 5 Raids involveing Treve, This last one being the 5th and every single time and every single time when its in Treve, when Treve didn't win i saw the Oh so famliur Blue Message in the corner " Carter Ebbage: Invaild, Raiders go home"

Then stop cheating!!!!!

Twice have i seen that, and Each time i Do see that i Also see the Men of Treve Continuing to Fire apon the invaiders...WOW sounds like poor communication on your part Carter

The 1 time it wasnt invaildated on your turf the men of the north had lost, and Your men were waiting 30 minutes before we made it to the ground to raid apon tarns, hmmm....that sounds like Metagameing to me...

for those whom dont know.

In role-playing games, metagaming is the use of out-of-character knowledge in an in-character situation. A character played by a metagamer does not act in a way that reflects the character's in-game experiences and back-story.

All of the north honored it reguardless witch btw I counted the numbers then we had 25 going in on that one and we out numbered you then as well atleast 2:1

ALOT of the captives from that raid got little to no RP...

I don’t know what raid you are talking about, but if you outnumbered us by such a large amount, did it occur to you we might not have enough people to rp all the captives properly?

Also in closeing... you raid 3 Torive Villages in one day, and Dont Expect them to come raid you back? WTF? I would have defently planned on it! But then again I am Military in Real Life and i Know Not all of Gorean Warriors have military background. As for those of Ironhall and Tyr's with there responces here I applaud you Sirs and Ladies

What we did not plan on was you blatantly ignoring our rules, bringing in your own mods to cause confusion and display petulant behavior afterwards. We have admitted our mistakes, but again, not one of you has acknowledged any of yours. Until you do so, you have absolutely no credibility.

[Carter Ebbage]

Carter, What you fail to relize is, Your own people brag about being able to take on more then one at a time in the forums here when they talked about the raid on treve, yet you cant deal with being SLIGHTLY outnumbered? I was the "Misterius" mod you speak of i followed the counter raid from 3 moons and counted them as they left the docks there was 18 men on this raid that you cried invaild on. also on your equipment i have this

.

First point "Slightly?" hardly.. second point.. and if i have to say it 1,000 times i shall.. 1001 coming up.. WE WAIVER THIS RULE WITH PRIOR CONSENT and have done many many times..

We have also been beaten several times in Treve.. with captives taken by several Torvie sims.. so get your facts straight.

 ALOT of the captives from that raid got little to no RP...

and what do you want me to do about that .. people come to Treve, attack us.. they get taken down. What am I to do when we have more captives than people.. we didnt invite them, we didnt ask them to come... what are we an entertainer centre when you are bored ? Its common sense.. 10 attackers cannot be Rp'd with 10 warriors..who is defending the place.. also I received many comments from the slaves and FW of Treve about the abusive comments OOC made to them.. so consequently, those people where told to piss off and take their attitudes elsewhere.

On this particular attack on Treve.. many remained.even after the attack was invalidated..... unlike on previous occassions with mass "mysterious" crashes, suicides, meter resets etc. As Mordachai has said.. IF you attack another sim.. expect to remain 3 days. Not all that time you will be the focus of attention.. so suck it up or dont attack sims. I have spent hours captured on other sims with little or no.RP.. and I have never pulled out this Houdini act to get out of cells or chains around my ankles. to escape when nobody is around.. . . .. the 30 minute RP and I leave is bollocks and you know it.

Also in closeing... you raid 3 Torive Villages in one day, and Dont Expect them to come raid you back? WTF? I would have defently planned on it! But then again I am Military in Real Life and i Know Not all of Gorean Warriors have military background. As for those of Ironhall and Tyr's with there responces here I applaud you Sirs and Ladies

We attacked all 3 on the same day on purpose.. EVEN LEFT MEN BEHIND so that the 3 sims had enough men to retalliate.. WE DELIBERATELEY tried to create a scenario for all 3 sims to have a reason to come together. WTF do you think i am stupid. ? ... And dont assume you are the only one with  a miltary background...some of our women have probably more miltary experience of tactics and strategy then half the Ubars or High Jarls in GOR..

As for INVALID... I didnt make the call.. I was captive in Axe Fjord.. having been captured by one of these mysterious mercenaries that everybody seems not to wish to acknowledge where present or had organised to enter the south of the sim..and the reason for this INALID has been fully explained time, time, time , time again..so I wont bother to reiterate.

FYI.. I had been shot by a Torvie on a Tarn also.. again nobody seems to to want acknowledge these mysterious flying Torvies in the treve woods... are they part of your 18 or 25 against the 10 we think we had in the sim ?

As for your post about the weapon .. I shall ask Victor our weapons tester and the guy who deals with these things because that is totally new information and contradicts everything I have been told.... ... however.. administrative error or not.. I CHALLENGE anybody to use that sword and tell me its a cheat and does not fall within the accepted tolerances..and then you can all have the decency and mature behaviour to apologise for the innuendo and outright claims that some of our warriors have cheated.

There seems to be a theme here;

1. People need greater numbers to beat us.. i will take that as compliment and acknowledgement that your skills and organisation are not as they should be and that simply charging across an open field towards a little narrow bridge is going to somehow win...stoopid stoopid stoopid stoopid. We will simply shoot you down as you run towards Minus and also attack you from behind as we come from the city..this isnt rocket science folks.

2. For some reason.. there is an assumption.. we have a created a sim impossible to attack.. There are no fortified walls, no traps around our village and there is a 10m high wall on our city.. thats it. There are no group doors you have to prim through, picklock etc other than a main gate and a cell door.

3. People cannot follow basic rules.. which also state to contact a moderator if there is any confusion or clarification required

4. If people have gripes or concerns.. they cannot talk in a constructive and adult manner to seek resolution on issues,  instead they seem happy to keep doing the same old things.. and get more and more frustrated and seek to do anything to win.. bringing in outsiders, bending rules, getting pissed off when it doesnt go their way, bringing in outside moderators without even the decency to ask for permission etc etc.

Now.. two things can happen.. people can bitch and whine and drag up their version of events.. the simple matter is.. unless you talk and open dialogue about things.. nothing will be resolved and silly notices "concluding" things with a barrage of innuendo and rumours spread about the place is not good form.

[Aislynne Melnik]

Just sighs ...

[Bela of Ironhall]

Carter, I hate to tell you this, but no matter if this is a "Treve Role Play board" you are post on a forum that is here for Gor as whole, and also posting in your own RP forum OOC note cards that have little to do with RP, and more about the crap that was pulled. Had you simply said "I sent an apology, Ironhall accepted it, but no longer wishes to RP" then maybe your argument would have more merit. For that matter, why not just send it through your groups?  Right now you are just generating more hostility between two groups of people. The only thing that "transparent" here, was that we should have known to quit when we only some of us were moderately agitated, not when the whole of us are just plain old fed up.

Also, just booting a sim leader who is modding and making sure her people are getting RP makes you a swell guy, she was the one who, after a lot of nay saying, allowed Treve to raid on our sim. I guess you all proved how big of a mistake THAT was. Seeing how she was there for a good long while, I guess no one listened to you, or had that big of a problem.  

Honestly, Victor Warilard, I don't care if you don't believe me, that just shows that you are going to go on thinking what you think and tough shit. The fact remains that there were 3 (Possibly 4 men) on our sim, and at least 10 of your men participated.

Our mods made a lot of leeway for Anarch Allegiere when he came as a spy, and that was the only reason why Ironhall was willing to accept a raid. He spent a decent amount of time in Ironhall, even though one of our men recognized him from when he was capped in Treve for 5 hours with little to no RP. Why he was not capped and killed is still a mystery, one of life's little unknowns.

[Carter Ebbage]

Carter, I hate to tell you this, but no matter if this is a "Treve Role Play board" you are post on a forum that is here for Gor as whole, and also posting in your own RP forum OOC note cards that have little to do with RP, and more about the crap that was pulled. Had you simply said "I sent an apology, Ironhall accepted it, but no longer wishes to RP" then maybe your argument would have more merit. For that matter, why not just send it through your groups?  Right now you are just generating more hostility between two groups of people. The only thing that "transparent" here, was that we should have known to quit when we only some of us were moderately agitated, not when the whole of us are just plain old fed up.

Also, just booting a sim leader who is modding and making sure her people are getting RP makes you a swell guy, she was the one who, after a lot of nay saying, allowed Treve to raid on our sim. I guess you all proved how big of a mistake THAT was. Seeing how she was there for a good long while, I guess no one listened to you, or had that big of a problem.  

Honestly, Victor Warilard, I don't care if you don't believe me, that just shows that you are going to go on thinking what you think and tough shit. The fact remains that there were 3 (Possibly 4 men) on our sim, and at least 10 of your men participated.

Our mods made a lot of leeway for Anarch Allegiere when he came as a spy, and that was the only reason why Ironhall was willing to accept a raid. He spent a decent amount of time in Ironhall, even though one of our men recognized him from when he was capped in Treve for 5 hours with little to no RP. Why he was not capped and killed is still a mystery, one of life's little unknowns.

Bella.. accepted principles..

this is our main communication medium.. period. Has been for 2 years , will continue for another 2 years.. somebody from your sim sent the Note "DEAR TREVE".. this is our main communication medium to tell people what is going on... I posted it as I suspect you would in group channels.. no difference except this is not spamming people as they RP and allows them to catch up on issues when not in SL..

I will boot anybody not following our rules.. if it you was wandering in OOC in the middle of a battle, you are in direct breach of our rules and had no business to be there. You added to the confusion and didnt even have the decency to talk to us or liase with us..


and what I find totally galling, branwyn emerald accepted my apology when i came to Ironhall and couldnt even raise these issues with me.. you need to learn the art of communication bella or is how ironhall is run.. smile sweetly and then make accusations and complaints behind people 's back ?

As for Anarch.. branwyn emerald bloody well told me to tell me he did a great job.. I passed that onto him

Only now are you bringing up a series of gripes and concerns.. why didnt you have the decency and courtesy to talk us like other sim owners do.. are you so special that you decide what happens in other sims and apply your rules to other communities environments.. arrogant and disrepectful is the words constantly shouting in my head when i read your comments and the behaviour you exhibited and you clearly added to the confusion of the event with inconstitancy of messages and instructions

you cannot come to another communities sim and do what you please...

[Rayzor McAuley]

you cannot come to another communities sim and do what you please...

* Rayzor McAuley holds his tongue and exits this discussion.

[Tigerlily Tomorrow]

you cannot come to another communities sim and do what you please...

* Rayzor McAuley holds his tongue and exits this discussion.

That is True Carter