Minus lawless and dangerous ?

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May 2012

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[Anarch Allegiere]

Okay... so I've been doing some effort in making Minus feel more like a dangerous place by organizing some group of people that have been invited to start hanging out in Minus and to engage in 'conflict RP' there with the visitors and peasants. It's quite a success so far and at one point yesterday they had ~7 of their people (rogues/bandits/criminals) hanging around Minus, in itself it generates interesting RP and a bit more traffic than usual.

However, certain things are conflicting a little bit and that is the presence of our FW in Minus.

I'll try to explain with some examples:

1. At one point a Trevan FW was making a fuzz in the Inn about 2 guys there trying to fur a slave.

2. The other occassion an unescorted FW got harassed by a guy trying to ask a copper to enter the village. She refused and in turn the guy started getting physical.

There is or was nothing wrong with how the FW roleplayed it out. But my question really is... how are we to maintain Minus as a lawless and dangerous place ... if Warriors FM are expected to behave like royal security making sure our FW can dally around the place in their colorful poofy dresses in whatever fashion they want?

I know that in most cases most of our Warriors would've jumped at the occasion and stood up for the FW and slapped the 'rogues' in question around. I however didn't cause I don't think FW drinking their blackwine in peace have 'much' place in a town like Minus. I however did 'protect' them in both cases I saw any harm threatening them.

It's a dilemma to me really... in one way I'm doing my effort to help generate unique traffic and RP and make Minus a more shady place again, cause some people really are missing that 'danger' element lately (FW included!). On the other hand there's I think Trevan Warriors that would jump at every occasion they'd hear a Trevan FW is in trouble in Minus, making the place 'undangerous' again for our FW.

Thoughts?

[Conall DeCuir]

Thoughts, yes.

We had something equal when the Ruins of Cardonicus have been builded, a lawless place where outlaws, panthers and other scroundrels lived. The former FWs of Cardonicus, now living in Piedmont, started to waddle through the place all haughty, demanding that you would have to protect them as you would be a red of their homestone.

That was so wrong.

It wasnt their Homestone where they walked through, they entered a lawless place ... i did not had to protect them escpecially not when they got overly demanding and mouthy. I stripped them, tied them up and who didnt stopped to be mouthy and also started to insult had been collared and not send home naked but was sold. Done !

You can't create a lawless place with FWs around, especially not with high caste FWs which want to drink their black wine between villaints and also want to be respected.

You do not have to protect them, in the contrary. They are outside of their Homestone and if one of them should be of your interest, you can do as you wish with her ... it depends only how honorfull you want to play your red caste role.

They are outside of their Homestone, outside of law which protects them and they cannot even count at the warriors of Treve. Thats their danger, their excitement  

[Truly Bing]

I see your point chaps. But what I also see is then an area of the sim that becomes full of capture bunnies and poseball jumpers. Because the FW who want to stay free wouldn't then step foot into such a place. And then it becomes kind of a catch 22. You don't get the women in to the place to do scary rp so it becomes a wasted rp area. And then when people wanting to join Treve arrive they fear being murdered or captured so they don't come. And what sim can survive without new people joining?

[Jessy Mumfuzz]

A Red of your own city would protect you....End of!

 

[Conall DeCuir]

A Red of your own city would protect you....End of!

 

Not every warrior of your HS would protect you. Did you hired him as an escorte? Do you behave while he is escorting you or are you looking for trouble? You stepped outside of the walls which protect you by yourself, into a lawless pla

edits:

place and with that you are asking in a way for a collar or shouldnt be to surprised when bad things happen.

[Jessy Mumfuzz]

A Red of your own city would protect you....End of!

 

Not every warrior of your HS would protect you. Did you hired him as an escorte? Do you behave while he is escorting you or are you looking for trouble? You stepped outside of the walls which protect you by yourself, into a lawless pla

Were talking about Minus here Conall....Not ruins of Cardonicus. The FW of Treve are meant to me protected by the men of Treve. The Ubar has demanded it.

[Conall DeCuir]

Dangerous and seedy doesnt mean to be overrun by cap whores. It depends how you play with them and if you do gorean rp with them or fullfill their sexual fantasies.

Dangerous and seedy cannot work at the other hand with dozens of FWs around, demanding to be respected as if they would be inside their own walls.

Maybe Minus is just a place for Men and rather not so much for FWs?

@ Jessy

oh, i thought Minus is LAWLESS ?

[Orcus Clawtooth]

As I understand it...

Minus is a lawless place and a shady, dark little village that happens to fall under the protection of Treve. The way I therefore envisage things working is much like if a young lady walked around dark alleys on her own in RL...yes something bad might happen...but if during such an event, a friend of hers, a guard, or a policeman saw said bad thing happening of course he would intervene.

Now I am not suggesting that warriors are policement or knights in shining armour, I have read enough of the books to know that is not the case...but I have also read enough of the books to know that a warrior of the same HS WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY protect a FW of his HS if she is in danger whether in her own city or otherwise. I realise its not everytime, so please don;t throw quotes at me to show otherwise...but think about it...

Treve FW were revered by the FM of Treve...a warrior is built around honour....put those two things to gether and are you honestly telling me a warrior (under normal circumstances, with all things being equal) would simply watch some rogue ride off with a Treve FW simply because they were a few pasangs from the city walls?!

However, having said that, I applaud Anarchs efforts to increase danger in Minus and doubt the FW will mind too much, it provides RP and just means the women need to be more creative in how they go to Minus (cue the NPC guards again!) ...but seriously, we shouldn't just say they're not welcome, yes if they're there alone and no reds present...then they're easy pickings, but they would know that. However, if reds are present, come on...play the game! I am a blue and even I would have enough honour to pull my sword to protect a FW in Minus from someone not of my HS.

[Truly Bing]

Dangerous and seedy doesnt mean to be overrun by cap whores. It depends how you play with them and if you do gorean rp with them or fullfill their sexual fantasies.
Maybe Minus is just a place for Men and rather not so much for FWs?

I really would love to see you guys playing dangerous and seedy in a sim full of just men 

[Conall DeCuir]

All i say is, that they cannot count on a red who maybe has a a score to settle with a special FW and wanted her eventually for himself since a longer time or something like that. Warriors are no robots also. But if the FWs of Treve are able to deal with the bad situations which can happen ... which includes some not so honorable warriors of their own HS, then fine ... let RP happen.

[Isabella Bergiere]

I personally love the rogues initiative and think it was much needed but I think this topic is making a mountain out of a molehill...

The FW you mention in example no 2 is brand new to Treve and and I'm very sure she learned the hard way about Minus!!   She told me so in IMs.

Yes as a High Caste FW I would -never- realistically go to Minus but, when the city itself is empty, I'll be damned if I'm going to sit and stare at the back of Bella's head and chat in IM when I can see Minus is packed  (and there are reds to escort).   Thats just realism versus onlineism - I'm here to have fun

My 2 copper tarsks are that trying to influence how people RP OOC isn't really fair - if Anarch has such a bee in his bonnet take it IC 

[Grondar Quartz]

I applaud Anarchs plan, and as you say it IS a dangerous and lawless place BUT OOC we have to balance this with what happened a few weeks ago when Carter decreed that any FW who was capped in Minus would be punished /given to the  warriors etc  and what happened was NO FW went to Treve and all rp`d in the city, effectively Minus starved for rp , as I say we have to have a balance , maybe making sure warriors are available to escort women to the docks if they are travelling.

[Carter Ebbage]

Ermmm a few points to consider I think.

FW of Treve hanging out in Minus need to be mindful of the danger and act accordingly.. mouthing off to strangers about their behaviour in an Inn or Tavern is going to get them in trouble. Being a petulant, arrogant bandit princess inside the walls of the city is perfectly acceptable..but a more demure, respectful, modest attitude would be a better strategy.. after all.. Treve FW are highly prized by collectors.

It was seldom a girl from Treve ascended the auction block. I suppose Vika would have been costly had I purchased her in Ar or Ko-ro-ba. Even when not beautiful, because of their rarity, they are prized by collectors.
---Priest-Kings of Gor, p 61

So, if a FW of Treve was acting in a manner to draw attention to herself, provoking strangers etc. I would do as Conall said...kick her arse back to Treve.. or if I felt she deserved what was coming due to her behaviour, I may suddenly go deaf and blind and not see what was happening.


I am not picking on women... if a Treve warrior stupidly wandered into an enemy city on his own , then I am not going to rescue him and put myself in danger because of his wreckless behaviour.

However, IF a stranger was targetting, insulting, initimidating a FW  or peasant of Treve in Minus...I would make sure he appreciated the consequences of doing this.  A glare in the right direction and the emoting of a hand resting on the hilt of the sword should be more than adequate warning of the consequences.

[Jessy Mumfuzz]

What happens if a Treve Warrior is targeting Fw of Treve while they are drinking tea?

[Isabella Bergiere]

Being a petulant, arrogant bandit princess inside the walls of the city is perfectly acceptable..

Yeah!  


and ya I agree with the rest too (must be a full moon).

Bella is much more meek and well mannered outside of Treve...     lets face it Cecil, though wildly attractive, is not the best defender of my virtue should I provoke someone.  
I also don't think it is the job of the Red Caste to babysit me if I act like a moron outside the city!