Naked slaves in winter? How they were really dressed...

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[Callista Vaughan]

In Swordsmen, John Norman decided to elaborate on how slaves are correctly attired for winter. Sorry, guys, they didn't walk around completely naked, with a cloak thrown over their shoulders and gigantic boots. Instead, it was more like this:

"The slaves were now warmly garmented, though not, of course, as might have been free women. The robes of concealment in winter are much like those of gentler weathers, save for darker colors, more absorptive of, and retentive of, heat, heavier materials, some additional layering, and such. In the case of the slave, a short, long-sleeved jacket, coming high on the hips, its length resembling that of a slave tunic, is worn over an undershirt. They are also put in trousers, belted with binding fiber. Whereas in the case of the free woman her legs are concealed within her enclosing garmenture, in the case of the slave, even in the winter, it is clear, however warmly they may be clothed, that she has legs, and that this is to be obvious to the scrutiny of men. The wrappings of the legs and calves is wool, over which leather is wrapped. The last garment is a warm, hooded cloak, which may be held closely about the body. Her face is commonly bared, except in severe weather, and, in any case, there is no mistaking her status, given her garmenture...Their collars, of course, even in the winter, are kept on the slaves. They remain collared. They are slaves." -CH. 37, Swordsmen of Gor

On the positive side, winter can't last forever, right?

[Rayzor McAuley]

Let us know if he clears up whether slaves kneel outside in winter.

[dana Tehani]

realistically I dont think they would.. even when its not winter I dont think slaves knelt on the hard streets or snow its just too damaging.

[Mordachai Draegonne]

I believe my slave quite accurately depicts this.. cant have a slave with certain bits frozen off when spring arrives.

[Aoife Treeflame]

I have recently come to own a slave, my first instructions, besides the usual set of what i expect her behavior to be, were in order for her to cover herself in warm clothing and to only kneel necessary. She can be property, but i don't own much and she was a panther before i captured her.

[Conall DeCuir]

Thats the difficult thing with sl-gor. At Gor, slaves wouldnt have just knelt everywhere during winter except ... and now it comes, they approached a free or the free approached them. On the other hand, in winter, slaves wouldnt have really be seen in the streets or outside in the villages as they would have huried to do what was ordered to be quickly back in the Hall our Houses.

How will they have been dressed. No idea really and i won't read another book to get the knowledge. I can only assume they have been dressed practical and proper for the temperature when they have been seen outside.

[Jale Abbot]

I had done some research on this subject as most girls I saw were wearing fancy silks and short camisks in the snow and that didn't seem right.  soooooo....  found in search:

The Wintering was not unpleasant, although, even so far north, the days and nights were often quite chilly; the Wagon Peoples and their slaves as well, wore boskhide and furs during this time; both male and female, slave or free, wore furred boots and trousers, coats and the flopping, ear-flapped caps that tied under their chin; in this time there was often no way to mark the distinction between the free woman and the slave girl, save that the hair of the latter must needs be unbound; in some cases of course the Turian collar was visible, if worn on the outside of the coat, usually under the furred collar; the men too, free and slave, were dressed similarly, save that the Kajiri, or he-slaves, wore shackles, usually with a run of about a foot of chain"
Nomads of GOR page 58

Slave were allowed pants as long as they were tightly bound to the body so not to hide a girls figure.  I can't seem to find the notation from the books on the pants being bound, but I know I did read about it.  I'll keep looking.

[Aphris Myoo]

Only German emperors kneel in the snow.

[Jamie Northport]

My opinion on this subject would be, let your slave stand in the snow. If she/he is to kneel it would surely, being realistic, cause a sort of discoloration in the skin due to the frigid, cold contact with the flesh. Not only that, your slave wouldn't be able to get up on two feet after kneeling for almost over an hour, it would catch frostbite. This of course, would decrease the value of your property.

At the same time, it is your property and your choice, many cultures on Gor have made objects to deflect the snow and force their slaves to kneel upon the snow. If your slave's shins are clad in some type of fur where it is actually "realistic" to have them kneel, then kneel they shall. However, if your someone who doesn't have the 'desire' to have your slaves kneel beside you and would rather have them stand, there is an overall consensus in SL Gor that slaves should kneel. However, slave's have also been known to stand and only kneel when commanded or asked to perform a serve.

The point of this being, not all slaves even "entered" the snow, despite if they were or were not in the snowy regions. If you wish to lug your slaves around in the snow, dress them appropriately. If you wish to keep your slaves in their confinements, then silks in the winter would not be a problem if you have a warm fire. Consider how a slave would perform a "slave dance" in the snow, she would have to be in dancing silks. I know I would hate to see a bulky, furry blob moving back and forth uncomfortably.

Hope this gave some good input, thanks for reading!

[Toihva Svenson]

I take the realistic view when it comes to kneeling and winter.   If the slave is obedient etc, why would I risk damage/death to such a girl?   They are property but also a good slave in my eyes is hard to find.

[ravyn blackheart]

what my profile pic now in here and warm thick kirtles with wool stockings and fur boots is what i run around in most of the time. even when naked in the hall I tend to keep the boots and stockings on to keep warm from that danged door opening..oh yea and a cloak of some kind sometimes.

[Aphris Myoo]

This week again, 2 slaves, only wearing silks, knelt constantly in the snow, in the hwoling plains wind. Then walk on the ice and keep standing there, bare footed.

[Rayzor McAuley]

This week again, 2 slaves, only wearing silks, knelt constantly in the snow, in the hwoling plains wind. Then walk on the ice and keep standing there, bare footed.

Just shows the lack of common sense in the areas south of the Torvaldsmark. 

[Sahara Luckless]

I take the realistic view when it comes to kneeling and winter.   If the slave is obedient etc, why would I risk damage/death to such a girl?   They are property but also a good slave in my eyes is hard to find.

There are a few good slaves out there,it's just taking the time to find them and training them the way you like them or want them. If they are obedient in all they do then they wouldn't have a problem kneeling anywhere. My Master clothes me heavily when we traveled to the colder regions, and I was at his side, kneeling. Yes I was kneeling, but it wasn't for long.I suppose it's every Master choice on how their slaves are tended to in situations such as these.