"Unusable Slaves"

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[Sahara Luckless]

Okay, so here is a question, or rather a feel of some issues I have. So what would you do if you came across a slave that wasn't able to serve, dance, or even really attend to your needs? But is called a slave and wears a collar. I've been to several places where I have run across "slaves" as this. They are deemed shall we say, "mentally unstable." Everyone seems to just play along with this. Honestly this is rather annoying for those that really work on being a "true" sl slave. I am sorry if I want to hear you talk like a 3 year old, or behave as one then I'll babysit my niece. So, I guess I am asking, IF played true to GOR, how would a "slave" such as this be dealt with, and is there any quotes that speak of it. I remember reading it somewhere, but I can't seem to remember which book(s) it was in....

[Aphris Myoo]

I once had such a slave. A friendly girl, but absolute no clue for role play and quite selfish.

We branded her, she played a barbarian, and she was very obviously in IM with others during that moment, because she missed the brand moment completely, no reaction at all. After the branding some strangers came at the gate and I had to check them. 5 minutes later the fresh slave in IM "I am bored".

I then role played that I gave her an enormous kick under her ass, making her fly back to Earth again. Sometimes godmoding is allowed.

[Xaz Elephas]

I once had such a slave. A friendly girl, but absolute no clue for role play and quite selfish.

We branded her, she played a barbarian, and she was very obviously in IM with others during that moment, because she missed the brand moment completely, no reaction at all. After the branding some strangers came at the gate and I had to check them. 5 minutes later the fresh slave in IM "I am bored".

I then role played that I gave her an enormous kick under her ass, making her fly back to Earth again. Sometimes godmoding is allowed.

I would indeed call this a 100% vaild kick.

[ravyn blackheart]

ditto

[dana Tehani]

I'd call it.. great aim. OOC drama is BS dont care who it comes from, I'm just not gonna want to rp with them. Icly, a slave who is useles gets killed. A slave has to work to survive its that simple.. On SL, slaves serve etc, but also I try to be mindful as FW not to make it the only thing they do and create other rps for them.

[adira Quirina]

greetings,

that sounds so easy... but sometimes it isn't. I had once a chain sister... a lovely girl, willing to learn. She was new on Gor, yes... but she was learning fast. She seemed to understand.. but she had one problem: she didn't want to be used in any sexual kind. She accepted one time (her former Master) to be opened (but in this time her Master didn't know, that she "accepted" this only this time). Shortly after she was opened, she begged to be released and was looking for another Master. She submitted then to my Master. One of her arguments in the first time were "she doesn't care about pixel sex". She was willing to learn how to be a good gorean slave and of course, she was serving drinks and food well. But one time, my Master wanted to lay with her in the furs and she refused. My Master was angry and punished her. Discussions followed. And the more they were talking, the more we realized, that she wasn't a slave at all. She liked the roleplay "serving drinks and food". But she didn't obey at all. At least she did only what she want. My Master told her, she had to obey, to do his wishes... or she should leave Gor. She did run away... and left Gor.

I did like her very much... but honestly she wasn't a true slave! 

adira

[Zophie Cabassoun]

After a few IC warnings what would happen to them if they didnt seem to improve and would be able to become a usuful workative slave, we usually fed them to the sea sleen.

[serene mistwood]

She liked the roleplay "serving drinks and food". But she didn't obey at all. At least she did only what she want. My Master told her, she had to obey, to do his wishes... or she should leave Gor. She did run away... and left Gor.

I did like her very much... but honestly she wasn't a true slave! 

adira

No, she was a waitress, and I believe now working quite happily in whatever the SL equivalent of an Aberdeen Angus Steak House is.
 

[Carter Ebbage]

I think you are discussing two issues here

1. The IC behaviour of a useless slave ...and the reaction may be punish her, impose a serious challenge to undertake tasks and chores or face the consequences, or remove her collar and kick her out of the city and let her die in the woods or sell her to some unsuspecting idiot who doesnt know she is useless..

2. The OOC behaviour of someone who wants to hang around in GOR but not get involved in the role of a kajira... and the reaction is.. ask her whats the problem and seek a solution for her, ignore her, tell her to bugger off and go to the BDSM ranch or something

[Ivan Gehring]

On a related note, is there such thing as a mentally retarded slave? I've seen this RPed out a time or two and I find it more obnoxious, and irritating than anything else ( Save, perhaps, people playing children and blathering in that "baby talk" )

Given the nature of Gor ( Survival of the Fittest, etc ) if a slave was, for example, mentally defective and thought he was a warrior for example, or thought he was a 6 year old looking for Mommy,  what would Gorean society do, and how would it be received.

[Jethro Button]

On a related note, is there such thing as a mentally retarded slave?

Our own ebony can act like that, being a seclusion exotic, with all the naive questions she asks! Hopefully, one day, she will learn from all the answers she gets and sound less retarded! Please, no one feed her duff info, like all it takes to get pregnant is to sit on a chair for 15 minutes after it has been made warm by the man (Re: Peter Cook/Dudley Moore sketch)

[Liara Edring]

On a related note, is there such thing as a mentally retarded slave?

Our own ebony can act like that, being a seclusion exotic, with all the naive questions she asks! Hopefully, one day, she will learn from all the answers she gets and sound less retarded! Please, no one feed her duff info, like all it takes to get pregnant is to sit on a chair for 15 minutes after it has been made warm by the man (Re: Peter Cook/Dudley Moore sketch)

I don't think he's talking about that, though...

I ran into a slave once with a visitor...she really didn't do much other than growl at passing people and stand next to her master.  She didn't kneel, she didn't appear to know how to serve, she couldn't really articulate - it wasn't that the player couldn't emote, it was that the character did nothing but growl.  I think the explanation was that she was a "feral," but I have no idea what that actually means.  I don't think I've ever seen such a thing in the books before.   

[Ivan Gehring]

On a related note, is there such thing as a mentally retarded slave?

Our own ebony can act like that, being a seclusion exotic, with all the naive questions she asks! Hopefully, one day, she will learn from all the answers she gets and sound less retarded! Please, no one feed her duff info, like all it takes to get pregnant is to sit on a chair for 15 minutes after it has been made warm by the man (Re: Peter Cook/Dudley Moore sketch)

LOL I haven't actually seen that with her, but now I'll be watching!  I have encountered ( Such as on the journey east ) some slaves who played as retarded and were kept around but yet could do nothing - couldn't serve, couldn't fur, couldn't work - they contribute nothing but being attention whores as far as I could tell.  While the owner might have some weird reason for wanting to keep them around, I'm wondering what Gorean society would have thought and what the "typical" Master/Owner would have done with such a slave.

I mean there are many parallels drawn between slaves and animals, and a defective animal that can't survive on its own is often put down. Would a slave too?

Suppose your favorite Kajira got slammed with a Warhammer during a raid and now thinks she is a Butterfly and runs around the City flapping her arms.  

Keep her? Or kill her? Or something else?

[Liara Edring]

Keep her? Or kill her? Or something else?

BTB, she'd probably be killed.  There's no "use" for "unusable slaves."

There was a girl, a she-urt, in Tarnwald for a while.  She had had something happen to her that "broke" something inside of her, and she reasoned on the level of about a 9-10 year old child.  Very sweet, very emotional, tended to have fits of temper, but she tried very hard to be polite and be good.  It was difficult to be angry with her because she did try.  She couldn't dance, couldn't sing, and had terrible scars on her face where someone had cut her as a child.  But, she could cook...like nobody's business, and she was willing to bring drinks.  She didn't do amazing serves, but she would help people with drinks like a free woman might.  She very clearly considered herself a free woman, and she would tear into slaves who didn't do what she thought was "respectful" to the warriors.  She spoke a pidgin language of Gorean mixed with the Red Savages language.

Honestly, it was one of the best portrayed characters I've seen, and I remember how several of the women were worrying over her, thinking perhaps it would be better for her to be a slave so she could be cared for (she obviously couldn't completely care for herself), but at the same time, she was so childlike that the idea was a bit disturbing.

[Caliway]

Not long ago in Treve we had a Blind slave, and, as I was playing the slaver at the time, it was my job to deal with her.  I was very torn about this character, because on the one hand, it had the potential for some Rich and fulfilling RP, with aspects that would both enlighten and amaze, but at the same time, it was so totally Ungorean to me... a Blind slave would have been worthless... she would have cost more to care for that she would ever have gotten in sale, and I think she just would have been killed.   

Slaves have one objective assigned them... Do their duty.  Be that Screw, Cook, dance, fight, work the fields, whatever.  if they CAN'T do their duty, or if it is less efficient to have them doing their duty than not... they are worthless.  We as Humans of Earth will take a worthless slave and try to make her fit, because it is Nice of us to try to include them... Good for us... but we are NOT Gorean.  we have Not Lived a Gorean life, Not been Raised by Gorean Ideals. Not seen and known slavery as a fact since our birth, and accepted it as a major cultural factor in our development.  We dress our Dogs in sweaters and buy expensive litter boxes that attend to our cats.  We have a different outlook.... a worthless slave... would have been discarded.  Simple as that.