Can a slave child be set free?

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[Husam Darkfire]

I appologize if this is a repeat from any previous thread(s), but I was involved in a discussion recently that was thought provoking. Rather than wait until I have read the entire library of Norman books, I thought it easier to ask the formu experts.

A master wants a male child and rather than taking his slave as his FC, he chooses to get her pregnant as his slave. As her due date approaches he decides to not set her free, if even for a few hours, so that she can give birth to a free child. So my question is, does he have the authority to declare the child free immediately after birth if the child is the male that he wants?

If there is a process for a master to do this, what, if any, future limits might there be on this male child born to a slave woman? Would he assume the birthright caste of the father?

[Carter Ebbage]

Vika of Treve:  Vika was the daughter of a Physician and a Passion Slave, who was taken by the Priest Kings and used to seduce men. She subsequently escaped from the Priest Kings and Vika then chose to journey to Ar to become a Physician, to work on research concerning the dreaded disease of Dar-kosis.   

Just one example of a child borne from a slave  who subsequently became the same caste as her father

[Kali Mizin]

A city's claim to the land only goes as far as its walls...I know of a Master who took his pregnant girl to the woods beyond an SL city, and just before the birth, used his sword to draw a circle around a tent, threw in his homestone, declared it his home and himself the Ubar of it, and when the child was delivered declared the baby a free. Not sure if this was based on the books, but...it seemed to be considered valid and the child, a girl, was raised a free while the mother remained a slave throughout.

[Callista Vaughan]

Why not? Slaves are set free all the time and immediately recognized as Free Women, with no IC repercussions. They are even restored fully to their Caste as though they weren't just offering their bits out in the streets just days ago. Why should the same privilege be denied to their offspring?

That's SL Gor for you.

[Payton999 Robonaught]

I'd imagine that a child of a mans slave belongs to the man.  However, any man who publically had a child with a slave would surely encounter more than a bit of social backlash--something to keep in mind.

[Zophie Cabassoun]

And that it would be a very rare thing to happen.

I once saw a city with four pregnant kajrae kneeling in fine expencive dancing silks, one even with whipmarks all over her back - all loveslaves of warriors.
It was really a bad look and totally unrealistic as well. It was a bit of a trend then though and i hope that trend stays sleeping still

[Conall DeCuir]

*sarcasm on* Sure you can make your slaves pregnant, who needs FWs when you have a pretty and hot love slave and of course no one would even wrinkle his nose should he see a pregnant slut kneeling in the streets instead of keeping her inside the house or kennel or whatever .. we are all nice in sl-gor, you know ? That child, well .. you can of course do what you want with it, its just a slave once born and your property.. kill it, sell it, set it free. Your child will be probably also proud when you point at the slut in nadu in front of your boots once the child grew older and tell him/her "see, your mommy .. isnt she a hot pretty slut?" Of course you won't bother about the mockery behind your back and your child would learn to live with it .. to be a born slave *sarcasm off*

[Carter Ebbage]

on the subject of "releasing" the slave to have a child.. consider this...

The slave is suddenley expected to stop being a passion slave, something at her heart, her being, her life to serve her Master..is that not cruel ? are you not taking away the very thing that sets her free... her devotion, her desire, her love for the one she serves ?

Again, with Vika, the Free Woman born from a passion slave.. her mother refused the offer to be set free when she was pregnant for just those reasons, also.. she didnt want to embarass, or make her Master feel less of a man for releasing her. Public displays of affection and love for a slave can be a sign of weakness for many.

[Cullin Rage]

Vika of Treve:  Vika was the daughter of a Physician and a Passion Slave, who was taken by the Priest Kings and used to seduce men. She subsequently escaped from the Priest Kings and Vika then chose to journey to Ar to become a Physician, to work on research concerning the dreaded disease of Dar-kosis.   

Just one example of a child borne from a slave  who subsequently became the same caste as her father

You took this out of context, Vika's father fell in love with her mother... FREED and FC'd her and THEN got her pregnant. She wasn't a slave when she gave birth, pretty sure that is made clear. Plus why ruin a perfectly good slave with carrying a child when there are plenty of FW around to do it for you..

Found the quote, from my book:

"You thought I was a Passion Slave," she chided, I shrugged. She looked away from me, toward the wall "You were right in a way, Tarl Cabot." "How is that?" I asked. She looked at me directly, "My mother," she said bitterly " -was a Passion Slave- bred int he pens of Ar." "She must have been very beautiful," I said Vika looked at me strangely. "Yes," she said "I supposed she was." "Do you remember her?" I asked "no," she said "for she died when I was very young." "I'm sorry," I said. "It doesn't matter" said Vika, "for she was only an animal bred in the pens of Ar." "Do you desipse her so?" I asked. "She was a bred slave," said Vika. I said nothing. "But my father," said Vika, "whose slave she was, and who was of the Caste of pHysicians of Treve, love her very much and asked to be his Free Companion." Vika laughed softly. "For three years she refused him," she said. "Why?" I asked. "Because she loved him," said Vika, "and did not wish for him to take for his Free Companion only a lowly Passion Slave." "She was a very deep and noble woman," I said. Vika made a gesture of disgust. "She was a fool," she said. How oftend would a bred slave have a chance of freedom?" "Seldom indeed," I admitted. "But in the end," said Vika, "fearing he would slay himself she consented to become his Free Companion." Vika regarded me closely. Her eyes met mine very directly. "I was born free," she said. "You must understand that. I am not a bred slave."

Priest Kings of Gor page 69

[Zardoz Greycloak]

In Nomads of Gor slave girl is freed just with sending her back to the city, without any paperwork and details, and she was immidiatly recognized as free back in the city, even if warriors of Turia had meet her walking in her slave garb. So, freeing slaves at a whim is book strong.

[Anarch Allegiere]

"You thought I was a Passion Slave," she chided, I shrugged. She looked away from me, toward the wall "You were right in a way, Tarl Cabot." "How is that?" I asked. She looked at me directly, "My mother," she said bitterly " -was a Passion Slave- bred int he pens of Ar." "She must have been very beautiful," I said Vika looked at me strangely. "Yes," she said "I supposed she was." "Do you remember her?" I asked "no," she said "for she died when I was very young." "I'm sorry," I said. "It doesn't matter" said Vika, "for she was only an animal bred in the pens of Ar." "Do you desipse her so?" I asked. "She was a bred slave," said Vika. I said nothing. "But my father," said Vika, "whose slave she was, and who was of the Caste of pHysicians of Treve, love her very much and asked to be his Free Companion." Vika laughed softly. "For three years she refused him," she said. "Why?" I asked. "Because she loved him," said Vika, "and did not wish for him to take for his Free Companion only a lowly Passion Slave." "She was a very deep and noble woman," I said. Vika made a gesture of disgust. "She was a fool," she said. How oftend would a bred slave have a chance of freedom?" "Seldom indeed," I admitted. "But in the end," said Vika, "fearing he would slay himself she consented to become his Free Companion." Vika regarded me closely. Her eyes met mine very directly. "I was born free," she said. "You must understand that. I am not a bred slave."

Priest Kings of Gor page 69
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And now to apply this further. If the man had been a Warrior he would've just made her pregnant without becoming melancholic, considering that suicide was against the Warrior Codes, but so was it by the suggested saying that one should be strong in what he loves. On top of that it was considered that self-pity was considered very ungorean... so the physician in that example already broke one "gorean" rule as a free... and that was the commonly accepted comprehension that suicide would be unhonorable. Either way the physician in that example had been a bit of an outsider, and one must remember that once again... archetypes don't exist. Sure, some rules about this and that existed, some general guidelines about what was socially acceptable or not existed... but at the same time it was extremely gorean to just do what you want, wether society accepted it or not and facing the consequences while claiming truthful responsibility for your actions.

Social backlashes and the likes are something most Warriors would care the least about I'd figure, as long as their honor is preserved. Which can be proven with alot of Warrior sayings that try to motivate Warriors to do -as they want-.


It's very hard and confusing for people to try and understand Gor as a place that both promotes order, honor, tradition and conservatism of values, but at the same time tries to motivate people to "dance", to explore the boundaries, to break the common practice if they have the strength and courage to do so. There is a reason why the Priest-Kings brought in people from Earth (like Tarl) to try and stop other goreans on Gor (like Marlenus) instead of just blue-flaming those who they tried to contain. If Marlenus had succeeded in making Gor a big unified empire then they would've let him... knowing that at some point the rule might be broken again by someone else and the eternal empire would've been shattered by the strength of new forces, new "dancers"...

[Husam Darkfire]

...Plus why ruin a perfectly good slave with carrying a child when there are plenty of FW around to do it for you..

So then there is a purpose for FW after all?

That also answers the question as to why so many FW want to be bakers. To have a bun in the oven 

[Liara Edring]

...Plus why ruin a perfectly good slave with carrying a child when there are plenty of FW around to do it for you..

So then there is a purpose for FW after all?

That also answers the question as to why so many FW want to be bakers. To have a bun in the oven 

Trust me, RPing a pregnancy is generally no fun.   

[Ginger Shamrock]

...Plus why ruin a perfectly good slave with carrying a child when there are plenty of FW around to do it for you..

So then there is a purpose for FW after all?

That also answers the question as to why so many FW want to be bakers. To have a bun in the oven 

Dang Husam....i know you must be teasing, but just in case you aren't...there are OTHER purposes for FW as well!  We are in most other castes, not just the baker one.  And unlike most FW, i guess, this FW is terrified at the thought of carrying a child.

[Carter Ebbage]

Vika of Treve:  Vika was the daughter of a Physician and a Passion Slave, who was taken by the Priest Kings and used to seduce men. She subsequently escaped from the Priest Kings and Vika then chose to journey to Ar to become a Physician, to work on research concerning the dreaded disease of Dar-kosis.   

Just one example of a child borne from a slave  who subsequently became the same caste as her father

. "But in the end," said Vika, "fearing he would slay himself she consented to become his Free Companion." Vika regarded me closely. Her eyes met mine very directly. "I was born free," she said. "You must understand that. I am not a bred slave."

Priest Kings of Gor page 69
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oops bugger.. thanks for the correction Cullin