The treatment of prisoners....the btb way

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[Murat Arabello]

We had a prisoner in captivity in Tyros for a week, and he was there as a bargaining pawn in negotiations, not a warrior. As it turned out, his own Ubar did not want him back! He spent a week with us, and by all accounts seemed to enjoy his RP, ......

Often a captive is thrown in the arena where the fastest graphic card decides about his fate. My respect to the captors who resisted this temptation and gave roleplay a chance, and thus extracted numerous exciting, long-term opportunities for all parties involved, which is at the end why we are here.

[serene mistwood]

We had a prisoner in captivity in Tyros for a week, and he was there as a bargaining pawn in negotiations, not a warrior. As it turned out, his own Ubar did not want him back! He spent a week with us, and by all accounts seemed to enjoy his RP, ......

Often a captive is thrown in the arena where the fastest graphic card decides about his fate. My respect to the captors who resisted this temptation and gave roleplay a chance, and thus extracted numerous exciting, long-term opportunities for all parties involved, which is at the end why we are here.

Hmm. i am not sure if it happens often?  I have only seen it happen twice in all my time in SL - but yes, the RP sounded fun for everyone and thats what counts. I do wonder why his Ubar didnt want him back though lol 

[Carter Ebbage]

My best capture RP was basically

1. Thrown into a cell in Thentis
2. Spent ages arguing with a scribe that merchant law was something that a true gorean should abhor.. the sword was mightier than the pen sort of debate
3. Was fed, watered, pleasured by assorted slaves... got to love congical rights even in prison
4. Beaten up a few times just because they could 
5. Seduced by a Free Woman of the city... she obviously wanted some rough and ready sex on a stone floor.. kinky bugger
6. Escaped after 5 days of fun in thentis

Have to admit, I did spend several hours alone during those 5 days waiting for people.. but it was a good chance to sort out my inventory, chat in IM's to friends and also do my favourite thing  which is to respond to NC's complaining about being a prisoner in Treve and no one had RP'd with them for 15 minutes so they had Tp'd out..

[Zalika Hyx]

It wasn't a case of the Ubar not wanting him back actually.  It was complicated, but it boiled down to the prisioner being a true roleplayer and not wanting to be freed by OOC means. 

[Isabella Bergiere]

5. Seduced by a Free Woman of the city... she obviously wanted some rough and ready sex on a stone floor.. kinky bugger

you gotta be wary of us FW!   Poor defenceless Carter hmm

[Grondar Quartz]

Yes Bella some of the FW make us warriors blush  , we are sensitive souls me and Carter 

[Bhoamar Landfall]

Having need to read something other than " blank blank blank would BTB do?" I scanned a few threads and found this.

A while back there was a situation on a sim where a Outlaw came in shooting and lost. Caged and made to do chores chained under gaurd. He apparently was taunted and made fun of til he challenged one of the "warriors". Now this is where it gets really intersting kids. He challenges not only for his freedom but for the mouthy slave of the Warrior challeneged as she acts like a princess! Can ya see it coming! The warrior loses. So he asked for a mod as someone told him you should not have accepted the challenge in the first place.

Well, what a mess it was. People ooc threatening and leaving and crying and bitching and moaning. To accept a challenge from a prisoner is just plain stupid. Especially if you have not a clue wether you can win.

I have previously rp as a prisoner and I think they gave Me back as I was a pain in the ass. I requested paga, food, refused medical attention, sung loudly and at all hours and requested an fw to serve Me as the slaves were all stretched out. The Head Jarl wanted My head on a post LOL. All ic and no real smart comments but all within the line of the character.

When I was "traded for" I asked why was I out as I almost had them surrenduring! Better part fo 3 days. no garbage, no cap screw release. Fun

[Conall DeCuir]

Having need to read something other than " blank blank blank would BTB do?" I scanned a few threads and found this.

A while back there was a situation on a sim where a Outlaw came in shooting and lost. Caged and made to do chores chained under gaurd. He apparently was taunted and made fun of til he challenged one of the "warriors". Now this is where it gets really intersting kids. He challenges not only for his freedom but for the mouthy slave of the Warrior challeneged as she acts like a princess! Can ya see it coming! The warrior loses. So he asked for a mod as someone told him you should not have accepted the challenge in the first place.

Well, what a mess it was. People ooc threatening and leaving and crying and bitching and moaning. To accept a challenge from a prisoner is just plain stupid. Especially if you have not a clue wether you can win.

I have previously rp as a prisoner and I think they gave Me back as I was a pain in the ass. I requested paga, food, refused medical attention, sung loudly and at all hours and requested an fw to serve Me as the slaves were all stretched out. The Head Jarl wanted My head on a post LOL. All ic and no real smart comments but all within the line of the character.

When I was "traded for" I asked why was I out as I almost had them surrenduring! Better part fo 3 days. no garbage, no cap screw release. Fun

Sounds good. Such happend in 5 years 2 times for me, the rest was just crap and well, a warrior who lets himself challenge by a prisoner who is also an outlaw *chuckles* ... i think he got what he deserved by accepting that.

[Aphris Myoo]

I have previously rp as a prisoner and I think they gave Me back as I was a pain in the ass. I requested paga, food, refused medical attention, sung loudly and at all hours and requested an fw to serve Me as the slaves were all stretched out. The Head Jarl wanted My head on a post LOL. All ic and no real smart comments but all within the line of the character.

If you do this in a real prison, they will deal with you perfectly. Bound and gagged, be thrown in an isolation cell for 3 days.

Which is of course the BtB way. Enough examples of prisoners in the books who were put away in a dark hole and left alone for longer periods.

[Bhoamar Landfall]

I have previously rp as a prisoner and I think they gave Me back as I was a pain in the ass. I requested paga, food, refused medical attention, sung loudly and at all hours and requested an fw to serve Me as the slaves were all stretched out. The Head Jarl wanted My head on a post LOL. All ic and no real smart comments but all within the line of the character.

If you do this in a real prison, they will deal with you perfectly. Bound and gagged, be thrown in an isolation cell for 3 days.

Which is of course the BtB way. Enough examples of prisoners in the books who were put away in a dark hole and left alone for longer periods.

True but.. it is not a real prison and I thought the conversation was about generating rp

[Sahiela Lavendel]

Okay, I have come across a certain behaviour lately far too often, and personally find it far too annoying to just ignore it. Lately, whenever we have captive warriors in the cells, they issue challenges to us. "Duel me, if I win I am free, if you win you can kill me"

I find that rather ridiculous. Why would I, as a warrior, accept a challenge from a defeated warrior? Shouldnt they be rather ashamed of their defeat? Instead of demanding spoils like paga, and an easy way out of their fate, which would in my eyes be more along the lines of a collar or death? I mean, i have no intention of dictating anyone how to play their char..but if in 90% of the situations I am challenged, and upon telling them they had their chance to fight but lost, I get called a coward..it really takes the fun out of capture rp of that sort. I know a warrior has to accept every challenge, but really?


How do you think a captive warrior should be treated? Mind you, i strive to play as close to the books as I possibly can, and im always willing to learn.

Historically, a losing warrior had three options for his future.

He got killed in battle, or was so injured that he got a mercy killing after the battle.

He was captured, if lucky became a warrior-slave, more likely a slave in a mine or plantation.

The third option only the very few, and mostly nobles could expect, his leige or country paid a ransom fee for his release.

I can't see doing anything but that in a SL Gorean combat role-play, BtBs or GE.

And, all three options can be done on SL... if everyone is willing to keep their RP realistic.

[Yuroki Uriza]

- A warrior who is captive but starts to be mouthy (although he is in a cell) is in danger to be killed. If you are a captive you MUST make proposals and start to negotiate, that will mostly help. But dont be an ass and stubborn - example:

[12:10]  Yuroki Uriza: opens the cell door and grabs a gag out of his bag,,i give you the chance to make a proposal to stop the war, and this is your last chance
[12:10]  Kool Door opened by Yuroki Uriza
[12:11]  Aron Zahm crosses his arms over his chest and he watches
[12:12]  Bounty Silversmith: take your proposal and shove it up a bosk ass

[12:18 PM]  Aron Zahm takes the cage's key from the admin and he nods.. "I see.."
[12:21 PM]  Aron Zahm walks into the cage and he stops at the door and he inserts the cage's key which he retrieved from the admin. He then crouches near the naked man in the cell.. He pulls a clothing piece from his pouch hanging from his belt and he ties it around the man's mouth stritchly
[12:29 PM]  Aron Zahm running his free hand over the man's back of the head and he grasps the man's hair with a sudden move. He then draws his hand back along with the man's head without a delay between moves. His hand, which was holding dagger takes it's position in front of the man's throat and he slit's the man's throat with a sudden pressure and drawing move with sharp dagger
[12:29 PM]  GM 4.1 shouts: Bounty Silversmith has been killed by aron zahm

- we order male captives work in the mine (if they do not teleport out). That is realistic and less boring as to stay in a cell for hours. They need to make a realistic roleplay to break through the iron doors (15 min each) and to leave the city (no mountains and so on, Landa is an Island). I am looking forward for the logs...

[Freyja]

- A warrior who is captive but starts to be mouthy (although he is in a cell) is in danger to be killed. If you are a captive you MUST make proposals and start to negotiate, that will mostly help. But dont be an ass and stubborn - example:

Can't agree with that, best to be an ass and be stubborn. It's a fine line sometimes and in  your captive's case he crossed it and paid. I still admire him because in a sense he was the one in control.

[Kail Lefevre]

http://www.gor-sl.com/index.php/topic,10166.0.html

So the above link is to a piece I wrote about freedom, I did it first for a defunct Gor Geous Magazine and then posted it again here a while back. For me captivity and slavery amount to the same thing. I know most people seem to disagree, fine by me if you are one of them. I don't see how you would, in fact, slaves have more freedom then the normal captive. I tell all the slaves I talk to, look if taken don't go into fits about how great your master is and don't swear your unending loyalty to them. When it happens, and chances are it will some day, thank them for stealing you. Tell them how mean your owner is and how you are always ignore by him so he can chase panthers and fur every thing with tits but you. Offer your submission up front and ask him to make you his. In this way unless you have one of the truly sadistic men in rp gor as your captor you can skip the torture role play, have a little fun, and 99 out of 100 times by the end of the first night or the 2nd you will have all the freedom you need to move about his home and just walk back out to escape them and return home where your slave heart lays. Granted, this only works once per idiot, but it works. You can't escape a cross, and cages are a bitch but if you have tools possible yet improbable. Those are the places captives are kept, slaves have chores to do and are allowed movement to see them done. Still in the end, slavery and captivity are the same. In both you are not free.

So a captive says to me ' Hey I challenge you! ' I say, " You know as a warrior I can not refuse a challenge, but as you are not a fellow warrior I am free to answer your challenge in a manner I see fit." Then I kick him in the face. " Challenge answered now shut up".  But Kail, what if he is a warrior? There is no such thing as a warrior slave. Once he is my captive, he is my slave, and thus not a warrior any more. That said, if he used to be and if he begs death rather then slavery I am bound by my codes to offer it to him. Most do, and then I have to kill them. I don't want to, but in this matter to role play correctly I have to. It is the books that I am being by that forces my hand.

It is the free women that I capture that annoy me the most. In the books I have read Tarl had taken an ubar's daughter and a Tatrix as captives, e.g. slaves, and I don't recall either of those going on about how they were free women, blabbing on and on about whose cock sired them or whose their ride. In short order they found their places and shut the hell up. Even in book 6 which I refuse to finish the women of the rence village once saved by Bosk from the port Kar slavers only to be told they were still slaves of Bosk's fell into line and yes mastered on que. So why the hell don't rp gor women shut up and do what I told the slaves to. Shut up, submit, play along, then run away. Get home, boo hoo to the men of your city about all the mean things that were done to you, lie if you have to about the things that were done to you, about your submission and so forth then return to put the spear of vengeance up the ass of the guy that took you. In gor free women were taught how to submit correctly so their lives would be spared.

Yet most of our sl free women act like it is an unholy sin. Kail, Kail, Kail.... It was, the Ubar of Ar disowned his daughter for being a slave.....I know that is what some of you want to say. Sure she was. She was of the warriors caste like her father. While the women of that caste didn't fight it is logical that they would still have to live by some of the codes also. The daughter of a warrior should ask for death before excepting slavery. She did not and so like any one of the warriors caste she was disowned for her crime. It was the codes.

Now, this all said, there was one time as a captive I challenged my captor. I was an outlaw at the time and had no honor to speak of any how. There was also the fact that my group had been shot from the walls of Kenaz while standing still. We had not attacked any one as of yet, and we were still debating if we were going to make a social call or attack. I felt this fire first from the walls was bull shit and so I challenged the man for it. Sadly he would not allow sword for the challenge and I lost any how because in spite of my sword skill I am only okay with a bow.

Another time in Tafa I allowed a captive to challenge me because he was pissing me off and I knew he could not of beat me even if I was half drunk. All other times, before that one and after I normally just kick my captive in the face.