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[Betony Baryl]

Someone brought to my attention that following and I thought I'd put it out there and see if someone had some counter information:

1) Panther groups were called bands, not tribes
2) Panther groups didn't have names. 
3) There was no mention of titles such as En, Se or Chieftess

Panthers. These were referred to by the name of the leader - there was no 'en' or 'se'. Also they were 'bands' and not 'tribes' and had a 'leader' (there is no such word as 'chieftess')

“What was the name of the leader of this band?” I asked.
“Verna,” said he.

(Hunters of Gor, p 18)

The panther girl, Sheera, who was leader of this band, sat down in the warm sand.

(Hunters of Gor, p 40)

When Hura’s band arrived, ready to fight for these pasangs of forest, ready to drive Verna’s band out, they would meet no opposition.

(Hunters of Gor, p 185)

“I am of the band of Verna,” said the girl. (Hunters of Gor, p 141)

And there is no such word as 'chieftess'

[Poisonous Adored]

Ah, good idea this topic!

Also, about onlinisms that panther girls use in SL Gor:

- There is no panthers, only panther girls
- Panther girls dont use the word "male" when they address to men. "Male" is one of the biggest SL panther girl onlinisms....
- There is no reference about panther girls branding their captives. They shave a strip of hair from men's head
- There is no reference reguarding "pets" in panther camps, especially larls...
- Their slaves are captives they use for their work and regarding men, for their  too (yes, panther girls rape their male captives), until they get tired. So, they sold them. They capture slave girls for the reward, too, if they judge that these ones can't be panther girls. So, no beloved and loyal slave, in a panther camp. They hate kajirae, anyway.
- And of course, no fighting slave in a panther camp.

[Elle Couerblanc]

I don't see any plausible explanation as to why these trends were adopted. The whole "tribe" thing is just odd.  I do though kind of understand the naming of the band just so you know who is who but why not just say "we are the Band of X sim and so and so is our leader".  Even many BTB panther girls adopt these onlinisms - I even wonder if we could say that the idea of a true BTB panther band does not exist in SL at this point in time. 

Don't get me wrong I love learning about the panther girl role and enjoy my limited rp in it but to say "Oh we are BTB" when they have an odd tribal name and such roles as an En or a Se etc is a bit hypocritical.

[Victor Warilard]

- There is no reference about panther girls branding their captives. They shave a strip of hair from men's head

In Hunters of Gor, if I remember right, they assisted when Marlenus was going to be branded.

 

[Poisonous Adored]

Yes, they assisted, they were present, but they didn't brand, they didnit touch to the iron and the branding stuff belonged to men of Tyros.

[Xaz Elephas]

En and Se mean First and Second which would mean 1st in charge and second in charge of the band, I don't see any issues with a Band adopting that. As for the rest I do see issues with there bands being named. Especially the whole Tal Male crap when you run into a Panther. And I bet 92% of the panther bands if poled would think all this is BTB because most have not read the books. I knew one Panther 'Chieftas who use to make her girls read some of the books but it came out she had never read them herself. She ended up submitting to the Black Talons. There just are not any true BTB Panther Bands in SL Gor. Hell look how 99% of them dress and all the tattoos they have. Most Bands are now GE and ready admit it.

[Claude Belgar]

1) Panther groups were called bands, not tribes

True, and this could be easily changed if they really wanted to.

2) Panther groups didn't have names[…]These were referred to by the name of the leader

 

True in the books, but you must take in account that we're on SL. Let say that there is a band, Betony's band. So you set a group, calling it Betony's band, and after some time, you decide to try something else, or you are overpowered by one of your fellow panthers, but anyway you leave the band, who is now led by Poisonous. So far so good but… the group is named after your name, and can't be changed. What are you going to do, create a new group, invite again all the members, some that may be in vacancy maybe, make sure you don't forgot anyone ?
Not very practical. Giving a band a name of its own, while an onlinism, is far more practical.

3) There was no mention of titles such as En, Se or Chieftess

True, but now is this really important ? Beside, it allow them to better know who is who. Really, not a big deal in my opinion.

- There is no panthers, only panther girls

True, but yet in RL we're saying a plane, not an airplane. No big deal here.

- Panther girls dont use the word "male" when they address to men. "Male" is one of the biggest SL panther girl onlinisms....

All true, and highly annoying.

- There is no reference about panther girls branding their captives. They shave a strip of hair from men's head

Yep, only problem is that a lot of men don't have anything to envy to you women when it come to vanity and would refuse the strip. At least a brand you can hide it.
For this to change, it would be a lot of work from either sides.

- There is no reference reguarding "pets" in panther camps, especially larls...

No, but we can imagine a panther having a fondness for a small animal. It's not because there is no reference in the books that it may not happen, as long as you are reasonable (No larl for example)

- And of course, no fighting slave in a panther camp.

This is surely the most stupid thing ever, yes. This is why when I'm capped I always refuse to wear anything more dangerous than a slingshot, and only to defend myself if I have no other choice.
If I had to accept a bow anyway ? Well I would use it to escape, thanks you very much.

[Ashoka Mosely]

While we're on this panther thread ....

Can I have some recommendations for panther bands / sims to RP with.

Good RPers preferred !

Ta,

Ace

[Victor Warilard]

I don't agree that there aren't any good BtB panther bands. You can nitpick any group if you want to, but there are a few that make a reasonable effort to be BtB. We have two small ones in Clearchus Woods and there is one in Fields of Cardonicus. There are also a couple BtB panther groups that will allow GE groups under certain conditions (since so many so called BtB sims won't rp with panther groups) in a few other places.

[Xaz Elephas]

While we're on this panther thread ....

Can I have some recommendations for panther bands / sims to RP with.

Good RPers preferred !

Ta,

Ace

I have made it known Ka'Zahr role-plays with Panthers, we don't allow them to raid but they can come role-play. Only two have taken me up on that offer, both came in shooting up the place with arrows and were banned. But the offer is still out there.

[Xaz Elephas]

I don't agree that there aren't any good BtB panther bands. You can nitpick any group if you want to, but there are a few that make a reasonable effort to be BtB. We have two small ones in Clearchus Woods and there is one in Fields of Cardonicus. There are also a couple BtB panther groups that will allow GE groups under certain conditions (since so many so called BtB sims won't rp with panther groups) in a few other places.

Your right I take that back Victor, I have not played with the bands in Clearchus yet. All new Bands deserve a clean slate to make there own rep.

*sighs* one hand typing is hard.

[Spencer Darwinian]

*sighs* one hand typing is hard.

Seriously Xaz...TMI...oh wait...you had wrist surgery.  Oops.

When I was in Tyros, we had panthers come and want to attack.  It was asked of them, how did they get here...an island...400 pasangs out at sea.  If they came up with a good explanation, then great.  But some of them didn't even realize that Tyros WAS an island.

And one other time, oddly enough, I found 3 panthers sitting, UNDER WATER, for an extended amount of time at the base of the old walls of Tyros.  Was this some strange panther initiation ritual?

[Elle Couerblanc]

1) Panther groups were called bands, not tribes

True, and this could be easily changed if they really wanted to.

2) Panther groups didn't have names[…]These were referred to by the name of the leader

 
For this to change, it would be a lot of work from either sides.

As I mentioned in my response above one solution would be to name the band in some manner that relates to the sim where they reside or the area of gor where the panther band is said to roam.  This whole tribal naming convention makes it appear as though they are some sort of indiginous jungle group living in the Amazon rather than women running from the norms of gorean society.

[Claude Belgar]

1) Panther groups were called bands, not tribes

True, and this could be easily changed if they really wanted to.

2) Panther groups didn't have names[…]These were referred to by the name of the leader

 
For this to change, it would be a lot of work from either sides.

As I mentioned in my response above one solution would be to name the band in some manner that relates to the sim where they reside or the area of gor where the panther band is said to roam.  This whole tribal naming convention makes it appear as though they are some sort of indiginous jungle group living in the Amazon rather than women running from the norms of gorean society.

Sadly, you got the same problem. What if the sim close, the owner don't want to rent it anymore and so on ? I know plenty of band who have moved from one sims to another because of OOC reason. To paraphrase a great man, "Giving a band it's own name is the worst solution, except all the others ones."

[Elle Couerblanc]

@Claude I get what you are saying but this tribal thing is BS - look at it from an outsiders perspective.  I mention to a non Gorean I RP as a Panther Girl in gor and i belong to tribe helikilinikkowabunga they assume I am rping some in of primal native genre such as the Na'vi people from Avatar.  Then we have the whole photos of predominantly white women in feathers and the fashionistas get into an uproar and accuse some non-english speaking fashion blogger of insulting the Native American people (this happened in 2008 and it was a big to do in the SL fashion blogosphere) who have no clue that she is actually blogging a Gorean Role play outfit.  Its simple, name the group something more gorean in spirit and it may actually help to define the role better.