Rescue birds

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[Guru Randwick]

* Guru Randwick smiles and shakes his head:

The usage of rescue birds, say IM's to call for help goes into the same category of sensless RP. To my opinoin the only legal RP-scenarios to get help are:

• Shouting on the sim, or in open chat
• Go to the entry point tp out and get rescue by shouting on the sim you tp'd on, or by open chat there

Any other things are nonsense, because they are simply not realistic! There might be one exception, but only to be used after a legal tp out:

• if someone on that sim you tp'd in is offline, then there might be sent a notecard to him, where the offline-player can be informed, in "RP-language", of course.

IM never can be a valid "RP-tool", IM is always OOC, and so not valid for RP. Informations given to others by IM, who inform about a RP-situation are invalid therefor and all RP is invalid. This is disturbing, bothering all those who want to RP "seriousely"! (I often do have to smile, when I watch some discussions in some group chats of some groups. As I do not mix into ongoing RP unless I am asked for if I am not involved, all I can do in such cases is smile and think to myself: Disney?  .)

I think, those who want good RP exactly know what I mean in this post; - as it is not possible to control ongoing IM, it's a matter of every player's sincerity and honor to live after it! (Same as with the radar-tools, btw.)

[Keira Wilder]

Aye,

rescue birds is something I do not accept in RP either.

Funny how illiterate warriors can write messages and attach them to the leg of a bird and send it away within a matter of seconds.
Its IM... its not RP... its not valid.

The second someone uses a "Message Bird" in combat I turn around and leave.

[Madras Pfeffer]

I also always wonder about those rescue-birds when i hear about something...

How could someone explain a rescue-bird plausible? Does any warrior run around with a birdcage all the time? And when do you want to write such a message when you are already captured? And how can it be that such a bird flies home within seconds?

To me this messagebird-thing is absolut nonsense and only a paltry excuse for sending an IM.

[QaPla]

My bias answer...since Summer and I made them...I think they are great.


My honest honest...I still think it is valid RP.  I think it is silly to expect that you could coem far across Gor...and take someone back to your lands.  You should assume that SOMEONE along yoru travels would have suspected you.  I think it is far fetch to think your capture was perfect.  Besides, when I am on a rescue, I say the same thing normally,

"well, we knew they were here on a hunting trip.  My men must check in every 30 minutes when out.  When they do not, we start searching, we started in <pick one> lands and came here next"

OR...

"We found some papers and a ripped clothe that had XYZ city colors so we started our search here"


Argue with that?

Q

[Sylvie Munro]

As with most things, it is very simple:

A single player/warrior may not carry a bird cage - that's what you say. Maybe you'r right. But: If he is on a travel? Why he can't have many things in a small tent outside a city?  But if he goes to battle someone, it's a silly idea to carry a bird cage, that's true.

An other story is traveling in a group. I think, it's a VERY good idea to have one or two Kajiras carrying bird cages in this case. That's a thing also explorers did on earth.

So: Build a true bird cage, someone might carry on her/his back or in hand and all is OK, problem solved. Just keep it realistic.

[Keira Wilder]

"well, we knew they were here on a hunting trip.  My men must check in every 30 minutes when out.  When they do not, we start searching, we started in <pick one> lands and came here next"

OR...

"We found some papers and a ripped clothe that had XYZ city colors so we started our search here"


Argue with that?

That's one of the most used lame excuses for IM rescues... and widely used.
If I capture someone in the Wastelands of Sand Sleen and bring them to the Slavery of Sand Slee.... and 5 minutes later I have the first rescuers spawning in the TPin of the SIM where I moved the capture to, I stop RP.
If you don't have the balls to get captured, don't play Gor or stay at home.

If you are using the "my men must check in every 30 minutes" excuse then have the pride to realy make them do it.
If I go exploring or on a dangerous errand I will tell at least 2 people where I am going and exactly that... if I am not back in 1 hour, consider me being captured.
I can prove that at any time within 30 seconds--- pulling out the chatlog.
If I get an "IM rescue team" coming in trying to "bullshit" me.... I am asking for a chatlog. And if I do not get it within 1 minute RP is over. As simple as that.

But hopping through the SIMs, looking for some "action", probably even starting the fight..... then getting captured and calling help via IM?
Those people do not deserve to RP with me. I can give my time to people worth it.

[Guru Randwick]

An other story is traveling in a group. I think, it's a VERY good idea to have one or two Kajiras carrying bird cages in this case. That's a thing also explorers did on earth. So: Build a true bird cage, someone might carry on her/his back or in hand and all is OK, problem solved. Just keep it realistic.

* Guru Randwick shakes his head: Sorry I can't follow this argumentation and so I can't agree to this. Once more: If rescue birds end in an IM, then to me it's simply irrealistic RP, and so not valid. So, to me it is irrelevant how many bird cages a Kajira or even a Warrior carries with him. It is relevant to me, how many IM's he sends out in an RP. If he does so, then to me each one of them is invalid, the whole rp is invalid. And this is most annoying to all the others who are involved in that RP.

RP lives from the interaction in the chat window. All what is written in that chat window can be seen by other avaters in a range of 20 meters. This is clear and "Gor-realistic". IM can only be seen by a selected part of players, and this instantly. There was on such possibility in medieval times, where Gor is located.

The Gor rules and Gor philosophy are complex enough. Many things are open to interpretation. It was said already 2 times in this SL-Gor forum and I repeat it again: Write one sentence of John Norman's novels down here, and if there are 20 people to read it, you will become 20 interpretations ... So my conclusion: Why not keep it simple there where we are able to keep it simple? This means: IM's are not allowed in RP, it makes RP invalid, no matter what name is given to the IM, rescue bird, tarn message, blind message, whatever.

Rescue is called when there is needed help. That is a fact. I agree it is hard to be on the weaker side, minority in an RP, RP-battle. But to me this is the challenge of RP: Make the best of the actual situation, play the situation and deal with it. Sure it might be helpful and even stratecally needed to become help. But then in a realistic way, send a Kajira (as stated on an other topics in SL-Gor: A good point to engage Kajiare), a warrior, a srtanger who is around, there are so many rp possibilities, but don't send an IM!  And if there is noone around to get rescue: Deal with the situation; - there lies the thrill! As we all (should) know: There is no looser in RP.

[Sylvie Munro]

Guru, we are not talking about IMs here, just about realistic(!) played situations. No matter what ever they use, there's only one question to ask yourself (or an oponent): Was it realistic? If the answer is yes, the RP is valid! As you said: "Why not keep it simple?" *smiles warmly*

[Keira Wilder]

Well... I never read about the extensive use of "message birds" on Gor...
Maybe I missed it   

 

[Sucarab Schwartzman]

I think it's wasted time to discuss about IMs/Messagebirds...
For me it's 101% unrealsitic that people run around with a bird. period.

If somebody really can emote how to take a hummingbird (kolibri in german, right?) out of his pocket, sit down, take a paper and a pen, write a message and let the bird fly... *shrughs*

In all other cases I open the cage/ropes/whatever, wish a nice day and use my time for better things.
Gor is full of... well, let's say kiddies *chuckles*  on the one side and full of people who live and understand a gorean world - so why waste your time with the first group ;-) ?

[Guru Randwick]

Guru, we are not talking about IMs here, just about realistic(!) played situations. No matter what ever they use, there's only one question to ask yourself (or an oponent): Was it realistic? If the answer is yes, the RP is valid! As you said: "Why not keep it simple?" *smiles warmly*

* Guru Randwick smiles warmly back to Sylvie:  There's a saying in German: "Ich kenne meine Pappenheimer", translated to English with noblesse: "I know my peers". 

One reason more to agree with Keira, a reason more to refer you to my initial post about this topic. a reason more to say: No rescue birds to be used in Gor, as there are no such ones mentionned in John Norman's guiding novels. It is that simple, isn't it?

[Guru Randwick]

I think it's wasted time to discuss about IMs/Messagebirds... Gor is full of... well, let's say kiddies *chuckles*  on the one side and full of people who live and understand a gorean world - so why waste your time with the first group ;-) ?

* Guru Randwick nods: How true! The only reason I do insist on this is the fact such things disturb RP of all those people who understand gorean world. Maybe Keira is right in simlpy tour around and leaving if such things happen. But on the other hand: This cannot be the approach for all those who "seriousely play", it will cause frustration to them, sooner or later. And there is an other tranch of people who might be interested to follow the discussions: People who are willing to learn more about Gor, to become "better" players

[Sylvie Munro]

@Suca
*giggles* We all had to learn our leassons about IMs..., right? 

But you are right, no birds on the shoulder or in a small poket anymore.

"Ich kenne meine Pappenheimer", translated to English with noblesse: "I know my peers"

Hey, i know you've read some of the group-messages, so you know: In most cases in the last time we said: "Fine, you'r in trouble. We like to help you - but send someone to inform us!"