Slave Schools BTB?

Donations of any size and regularity are always welcome to help offset the costs of maintaining this site.

May 2012

Su	Mo	Tu	We	Th	Fr	Sa
		1	2	3	4	5
6	7	8	9	10	11	12
13	14	15	16	17	18	19
20	21	22	23	24	25	26
27	28	29	30	31
______ Holidays ______
May 28 - Memorial Day

[Kaitlin Eiren]

This post was inspired by another thread so I decided to open another thread to perhaps contain the madness and also provide some additional information since slave schools are certainly BTB.

These kajira schools dont exist in books. In books, kajirae are trained in slaver houses. A BTB one?

There seems to be the assumption that only "slave houses" train slaves or that they are not also considered to be "schools".  Perhaps this will add to the debate a bit and provide the rationale for why schools like GU and formerly GPSU which offers completely accurate book information in its teachings surrounded by a backdrop with replica of common sights that bring the visual of the novels to life might be BTB after all. 

I certainly stand by my statement it is one of the best places to be trained as a slave in SL Gor for kajirae and it's BTB. 

“As you can see,” said Aemilianus, “she has much to learn.”
“I would not mind teaching her,” said a fellow.
There was laughter.
“Tiffany,” said Aemilianus.
“Yes, Master?” I said.
“It has been decided,” he said.
“Master?” I said.
“You are going to be sent to school, Tiffany,” said Aemilianus.
“Thank you, Master,” I said.
“Does that please you?” he asked.
“Yes, Master,” I said. “I have never been taught to read.”
There was laughter.
“It is not that sort of school,” he said.
“Oh,” I said. (Kajira of Gor)


“Yes, Master,” I said. I then rose to my feet, trying to compose myself. The feast master had turned away. It was now two months since we had graduated from the school. It had been, on the whole, a wonderful two months. (Kajira of Gor)

[Sayrax wiefel]

wooot wonder if theirs a frat house for kijarus

[serene mistwood]

Yes..  Chapter 26 of Kajira of Gor has the titler "I Must Get up Early For School", Chapter 27 of Kajira of Gor has the titler "School", and Chapter 28  the titler .. School - I Have Graduated. so there is no doubt they exist.  Certainly in most of the other books, it was usually a Slave House rather than a Slave School that was written about due to the nature of the plotline and stories, but certainly a "School" like the one Aemilianusis  sent Tiffany to, is BtB in SL Gor, and on reflection, very like GPSU with the cycling of lessons..  

Our class, twenty girls, were acting as serving slaves.  Another class, the next cycle in the training program, was kneeling to one side observing.  

[Claude Belgar]

Yes..  Chapter 26 of Kajira of Gor has the titler "I Must Get up Early For School", Chapter 27 of Kajira of Gor has the titler "School", and Chapter 28  the titler .. School - I Have Graduated. so there is no doubt they exist.  Certainly in most of the other books, it was usually a Slave House rather than a Slave School that was written about due to the nature of the plotline and stories, but certainly a "School" like the one Aemilianusis  sent Tiffany to, is BtB in SL Gor, and on reflection, very like GPSU with the cycling of lessons..  

I highly doubt that the slaves were teached on how to be a perfect robot without any imagination, who must serve using the same 5000 points notecard full of onlinisms that was given also to the other slaves.
Let not forgot that the great majority of those so-called slave school on SL make their students pay for it. Yes, pay to RP…






[/quote]

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Yes..  Chapter 26 of Kajira of Gor has the titler "I Must Get up Early For School", Chapter 27 of Kajira of Gor has the titler "School", and Chapter 28  the titler .. School - I Have Graduated. so there is no doubt they exist.  Certainly in most of the other books, it was usually a Slave House rather than a Slave School that was written about due to the nature of the plotline and stories, but certainly a "School" like the one Aemilianusis  sent Tiffany to, is BtB in SL Gor, and on reflection, very like GPSU with the cycling of lessons..  

I highly doubt that the slaves were teached on how to be a perfect robot without any imagination, who must serve using the same 5000 points notecard full of onlinisms that was given also to the other slaves.
Let not forgot that the great majority of those so-called slave school on SL make their students pay for it. Yes, pay to RP…

Then it's a good thing that it's the last thing that GU teaches.  One of the most interesting classes I had was on on the more than 100 ways for a slave to enter a room.  Nothing cookie cutter about that and there are no notecards.  That teaching style typically comes from your standard city kennel.  As far as payment for services provided there would naturally be a free paid by the owner so I am not seeing your point.

[serene mistwood]

Yes..  Chapter 26 of Kajira of Gor has the titler "I Must Get up Early For School", Chapter 27 of Kajira of Gor has the titler "School", and Chapter 28  the titler .. School - I Have Graduated. so there is no doubt they exist.  Certainly in most of the other books, it was usually a Slave House rather than a Slave School that was written about due to the nature of the plotline and stories, but certainly a "School" like the one Aemilianusis  sent Tiffany to, is BtB in SL Gor, and on reflection, very like GPSU with the cycling of lessons..   

I highly doubt that the slaves were teached on how to be a perfect robot without any imagination, who must serve using the same 5000 points notecard full of onlinisms that was given also to the other slaves.
Let not forgot that the great majority of those so-called slave school on SL make their students pay for it. Yes, pay to RP…

[/quote]

Almost all of us CHOOSE to pay to improve or enhance our RP in one form or another, whether that be buying clothes, hair, houses, land tiers, weapons, AO's, photography, weddings, etc.  Its no different really than any other optional addition to our RP that some of us choose to part with cash for,  with regards to most services (and it was worth every linden) or creation in SL. 

As for robotic slaves, if perhaps more kajira in SL attended GPSU instead of being bored stiff in city kennels and slave houses , I imagine they wouldnt exist at all.

[Claude Belgar]

One of the most interesting classes I had was on on the more than 100 ways for a slave to enter a room.

See, that was bother me. 100 ways for a slaves to enter a room, seriously ? On those 100, how many are actually relevant with a gorean RP and not onlinisms or brought from BDSM ? 2 ? 3? 5 at most ? Seriously what the point to force a slave to lean 100 ways to enter a room ? Can't we just let them use their own imagination, their own common sense ?

 

As far as payment for services provided there would naturally be a free paid by the owner so I am not seeing your point.

Whatever it's the owner or the slave paying, it's bringing OOC to IC. Moreover, if it's the owner paying, it's a way to control the slave OOC, and even RL. "I'm paying for this with my own L$, I don't care if you have an appointment RL, you will attend this class."

Almost all of us CHOOSE to pay to improve or enhance our RP in one form or another, whether that be buying clothes, hair, houses, land tiers, weapons, AO's, photography, weddings, etc.  Its no different really than any other optional addition to our RP that some of us choose to part with cash for,  with regards to most services (and it was worth every linden) or creation in SL. 

*facepalm*

You're comparing apples with oranges there. You are not forced to buy all that you state. You can find really good freebies, or you can make them yourself. If you choose to buy them, it's your choise. Beside, it can be used outside of RP. Payin to learn how to act as a slave is basicaly paying to be allowed to RP, and sorry but I find it wrong.

[Husam Darkfire]

I'm going to assume the OP's intention was to talk to slave training according to the books and not use this thread as a form of marketing for a particular SL slave training school.

I've no doubt formal training was available outside that provided by slavers. Here's just a couple of examples:

"Another reason for a master to board a slave at the private pens, of course, is that she might, while there, be given training, or further training, that she might be a more delicious slave to him upon his return." - Captive of Gor page 131

"If her master can afford it, and is interested, or if a slaver thinks she is worth the investment, she may even be sent to a school for training in the arts expected of a proficient female slave, both domestic and intimate." - Slave Girl of Gor page 370

While the use of the term "school" may not have been used repetitively, it's easy to derive that slave training was indeed available. And apparently even slavers would occasionally chose to use a school for his slaves.

[Rya]

And apparently even slavers would occasionally chose to use a school for his slaves.

Agree. Why reinvent the wheel if good classes are already out there? Cherry pick the best and use it to complement what is offered in-house, is my take on it.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

One of the most interesting classes I had was on on the more than 100 ways for a slave to enter a room.

See, that was bother me. 100 ways for a slaves to enter a room, seriously ? On those 100, how many are actually relevant with a gorean RP and not onlinisms or brought from BDSM ? 2 ? 3? 5 at most ? Seriously what the point to force a slave to lean 100 ways to enter a room ? Can't we just let them use their own imagination, their own common sense ?

Obviously you missed the part where I said book accurate so you won't find any of the zillions of onlinisms in this class.  You are also showing your lack of book knowledge with this comment rather than raising a valid objection.  The class was entirely an exercise in creativity in Gorean RP.  Each slave had any number of varied answers that were far from canned.  

“Observe,” once had said Elizabeth to me, to my amusement, in the secrecy of our compartment, “the twelfth way to enter a room.” I had observed. It was not bad. But I think I preferred the tenth, that with the girl’s back against the side of the door,  the palms of her hands on the jamb, her head up, lips slightly parted, eyes to the right, smoldering at just the right temperature. “How many ways are there,” I asked, sitting cross-legged in the center of the compartment, on the stone couch, “to enter a room?”  “It depends on the city,” said Elizabeth. “In Ar we are the best; we have the most ways to enter a room. One hundred and four.”  I whistled. “What about,” I asked, “just walking straight through?” She looked at me. “Ah,” said she, “one hundred and five!” (Assassin of Gor)



 

As far as payment for services provided there would naturally be a fee paid by the owner so I am not seeing your point.

Whatever it's the owner or the slave paying, it's bringing OOC to IC. Moreover, if it's the owner paying, it's a way to control the slave OOC, and even RL. "I'm paying for this with my own L$, I don't care if you have an appointment RL, you will attend this class."

The slave like any other RP sim in SL Gor could decide to leave at anytime.  Quite often some did because they did not wish to do the work.  Some have even finished the class with an entirely different owner since the class extends over several weeks.    In terms of IC and OOC there is none since this is a full immersion school so your typical RP rules you can leave at the door and follow the rules of the sim like any other sim.  Also similar to most "city applications" for citizenship where there was an OOC process the same existed well before classes begin and it is one of the few places in SL Gor that does expect an application even from slaves since it is OOC.  Another misrepresentation you made is on class attendance.  Often RL rears its heads and there are accommodations written into the rules.  I am going to suggest your sweeping generalizations don't apply at all.

Almost all of us CHOOSE to pay to improve or enhance our RP in one form or another, whether that be buying clothes, hair, houses, land tiers, weapons, AO's, photography, weddings, etc.  Its no different really than any other optional addition to our RP that some of us choose to part with cash for,  with regards to most services (and it was worth every linden) or creation in SL. 

*facepalm*

You're comparing apples with oranges there. You are not forced to buy all that you state. You can find really good freebies, or you can make them yourself. If you choose to buy them, it's your choise. Beside, it can be used outside of RP. Payin to learn how to act as a slave is basicaly paying to be allowed to RP, and sorry but I find it wrong.

On this one you hold your own opinion and I will simply agree to disagree.  The fee is nominal and if there is a case where the donation cannot be afforded then that can be worked out.  I personally have sponsored several students but it rarely is an issue since it is a rather paltry sum compared to the other items that Serene mentioned.  You are also not forced to attend so the same "choice" still exists so no one is forcing anyone to do anything.  They can easily stick to learning slave paces at the city kennel.  

My responses are in blue but it is evident from your post you know little about the school at all but I am hoping this will be expanded beyond just a discussion of GU.

I'm going to assume the OP's intention was to talk to slave training according to the books and not use this thread as a form of marketing for a particular SL slave training school.

I've no doubt formal training was available outside that provided by slavers. Here's just a couple of examples:

"Another reason for a master to board a slave at the private pens, of course, is that she might, while there, be given training, or further training, that she might be a more delicious slave to him upon his return." - Captive of Gor page 131

"If her master can afford it, and is interested, or if a slaver thinks she is worth the investment, she may even be sent to a school for training in the arts expected of a proficient female slave, both domestic and intimate." - Slave Girl of Gor page 370

While the use of the term "school" may not have been used repetitively, it's easy to derive that slave training was indeed available. And apparently even slavers would occasionally chose to use a school for his slaves.

Thank you that was exactly the intent!

[Kaitlin Eiren]

And apparently even slavers would occasionally chose to use a school for his slaves.

Agree. Why reinvent the wheel if good classes are already out there? Cherry pick the best and use it to complement what is offered in-house, is my take on it.

There actually are few book accurate options and I think you misunderstood the quote.  The slaver himself sent girls off to be trained by others was how I read it when looked at in context.

[Poisonous Adored]

Of course those schools as the ones we know, are not BTB, as their training is OOC. They give perhaps a BTB teaching in the sense where their students learn to RP, but they teach rpers, people wanting to play properly a role, because they have a lack of knowledges. I do not see a BTB lpace where you are said to read the books in your classes, where you are explained how develop your emotes, bla bla bla. And free women giving classes to kajirae, erk, in these schools.... In books, kajirae are trained by men and other slaves. Woman slavers work with kajirus (the Jason saga) and about administration in a slaver house. The first duty of a kajira is absolute obedience and... exquisite beauty. First point a kajira learns..... So, imagine a free woman teaching a slave who will have first, to please to men... Except in the case of kajirae who are destined to serve women exclusively, as tower slaves... honestly...

Also, many of these students do not have any owner, they hope to find a master/mistress, but they come here officialy to learn to play their role.

A BTB school would be something 100 % IC, would create stories, plots, intrigues. In these schools, slaves would be owned, they would have an IC backstory which brought them here.

Now, I ask to see in SL Gor, in a BTB and RP city, a true 100% IC school. There, yes, it will be BTB.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Of course those schools as the ones we know, are not BTB, as their training is OOC. They give perhaps a BTB teaching in the sense where their students learn to RP, but they teach rpers, people wanting to play properly a role, because they have a lack of knowledges. I do not see a BTB lpace where you are said to read the books in your classes, where you are explained how develop your emotes, bla bla bla. And free women giving classes to kajirae, erk, in these schools.... In books, kajirae are trained by men and other slaves. Woman slavers work with kajirus (the Jason saga) and about administration in a slaver house. The first duty of a kajira is absolute obedience and... exquisite beauty. First point a kajira learns..... So, imagine a free woman teaching a slave who will have first, to please to men... Except in the case of kajirae who are destined to serve women exclusively, as tower slaves... honestly...

Also, many of these students do not have any owner, they hope to find a master/mistress, but they come here officialy to learn to play their role.

A BTB school would be something 100 % IC, would create stories, plots, intrigues. In these schools, slaves would be owned, they would have an IC backstory which brought them here.

Now, I ask to see in SL Gor, in a BTB and RP city, a true 100% IC school. There, yes, it will be BTB.

Sasi RP does not have to happen 24 hours a day for it to be a venue for RP nor does it have to be contained in a city since all of the cities in SL Gor are poor representations of the cities described in Gor. You are also mistaken on whether a women would teach slaves.  They can even own a run a brothel in the Gor described by JN.  It is glaringly obvious you have never attended a class or even had anyone discuss what occurs in these classes yet you continue to make assertions as if you have done that.

[Gorm]

Of course those schools as the ones we know, are not BTB, as their training is OOC. They give perhaps a BTB teaching in the sense where their students learn to RP, but they teach rpers, people wanting to play properly a role, because they have a lack of knowledges. I do not see a BTB lpace where you are said to read the books in your classes, where you are explained how develop your emotes, bla bla bla. And free women giving classes to kajirae, erk, in these schools.... In books, kajirae are trained by men and other slaves. Woman slavers work with kajirus (the Jason saga) and about administration in a slaver house. The first duty of a kajira is absolute obedience and... exquisite beauty. First point a kajira learns..... So, imagine a free woman teaching a slave who will have first, to please to men... Except in the case of kajirae who are destined to serve women exclusively, as tower slaves... honestly...

Also, many of these students do not have any owner, they hope to find a master/mistress, but they come here officialy to learn to play their role.

A BTB school would be something 100 % IC, would create stories, plots, intrigues. In these schools, slaves would be owned, they would have an IC backstory which brought them here.

Now, I ask to see in SL Gor, in a BTB and RP city, a true 100% IC school. There, yes, it will be BTB.

I agree fully - the thought of a free women teaching a slave the lust for a man eh?

I would never send my slave to an ooc school - a teacher there would always have her/his interpretation of Gor - but i agree...a school functioning IC 100% would be interesting.

I would never ever in a million go ooc to a school to be taught by some, how to be a torvie, how to be a warrior...or any other male role. But to be tained as a warrior IC, ofcourse, if it was part of my role.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Of course those schools as the ones we know, are not BTB, as their training is OOC. They give perhaps a BTB teaching in the sense where their students learn to RP, but they teach rpers, people wanting to play properly a role, because they have a lack of knowledges. I do not see a BTB lpace where you are said to read the books in your classes, where you are explained how develop your emotes, bla bla bla. And free women giving classes to kajirae, erk, in these schools.... In books, kajirae are trained by men and other slaves. Woman slavers work with kajirus (the Jason saga) and about administration in a slaver house. The first duty of a kajira is absolute obedience and... exquisite beauty. First point a kajira learns..... So, imagine a free woman teaching a slave who will have first, to please to men... Except in the case of kajirae who are destined to serve women exclusively, as tower slaves... honestly...

Also, many of these students do not have any owner, they hope to find a master/mistress, but they come here officialy to learn to play their role.

A BTB school would be something 100 % IC, would create stories, plots, intrigues. In these schools, slaves would be owned, they would have an IC backstory which brought them here.

Now, I ask to see in SL Gor, in a BTB and RP city, a true 100% IC school. There, yes, it will be BTB.

I agree fully - the thought of a free women teaching a slave the lust for a man eh?

I would never send my slave to an ooc school - a teacher there would always have her/his interpretation of Gor - but i agree...a school functioning IC 100% would be interesting.

I would never ever in a million go ooc to a school to be taught by some, how to be a torvie, how to be a warrior...or any other male role. But to be tained as a warrior IC, ofcourse, if it was part of my role.

While I could point out the instructors generally are slaves I want to shoot this idea in the foot first that a female would not train slaves.  Even tower slaves are not slaves for women but instead it is a lessor role that they assume in a household while still being a slave usable by men.  The only restriction hinted at in the books for female slavers is in the capture of new slaves because of the danger involved.

“Tendite,” said the Lady Tima to me, “is not skilled in conducting a sale. I am training her.”
I did not respond.
“Is her skill in your language good?” she asked me.
“Yes, Mistress,” I said.
The bids, slowly, without enthusiasm, increased to one eight.
“How is it,” I asked, “that the Lady Tendite knows English?”
“She learned the language in connection with training Earth-girl slaves,” she said, “in the House of Andronicus.
.....
“Even after this change, of course,” said the Lady Tima, “she continued in her employment in the House of Andronicus, continuing to be used particularly in her specialty, that of the training, though now generally brief, of naked, collared Earth sluts.” (Fighting Slave of Gor)


Most female slavers, incidentally, are not involved in field captures. It is, on the whole, too dangerous for them. Too, there is always the danger that they might be added to the catch by their men. Most female slavers, accordingly, are established in cities, where they own or manage houses.  There they buy and sell slaves, board or rent them, train them, and so on. (Players of Gor)