Tarns-Treve-Flying over Thassa

Donations of any size and regularity are always welcome to help offset the costs of maintaining this site.

May 2012

Su	Mo	Tu	We	Th	Fr	Sa
		1	2	3	4	5
6	7	8	9	10	11	12
13	14	15	16	17	18	19
20	21	22	23	24	25	26
27	28	29	30	31
______ Holidays ______
May 28 - Memorial Day

[Anjali Cazalet]

I read Carter's post for recruiting, and rather than post a reply there, it brought up some thoughts at this wee hour and I felt better to post it here.

....
Treve's other needs seemed to be satisfied much in the same way as her agricultural ones, for her raiders were known from the borders of the Fair of En'Kara, in the very shadow of the Sardar, to the delta of the Vosk and the islands beyond, such as Tyros and Cos. The results of these raids might be returned to Treve or sold, perhaps even at the Fair of En'Kara, or another of the four great Sardar Fairs, or if not, they could always be disposed of easily without question in distant, crowded, malignant Port Kar.
...
---Captive of Gor, p 298

Interesting that they manage to attack islands. Would leave you to speculate flying their tarns over Thassa.

One can argue that they didn't because of the various passages speaking of the birds not liking to fly over water, but logic and some wee  hour reasoning...

Any animal can be trained to go against its very nature.

To be able to attack such places as Tyros and Cos (no mention of Teletus, smiles wide) would take many ships. More than they could muster through 'friends'. A fleet that would have to be housed some where. And since they seem to take what they want, paying for the mooring of ships that aren't used but maybe once a year? That sounds too costly and not at all like sound business.

Now, adding to that, if the birds don't like to fly over water, they sure won't fly to ships that are off in the distance, far enough not to alarm the Islanders.  And made more so difficult with the booty they'd now be carrying. Flailing, screaming free women, slaves, goods, etc. etc. etc.

It's just another inconsistency of the writings of Norman. Even where his students supplied the fodder for the stories, you still have contradictory examples that leave it open to interpretation. And he put his name to the stories, so they must meet with his approval.

Sue me. It's 5am and I woke up with dillusions of RP mulling through my head. To further quote some one.. I analyze too much.

Love and light
Flame

[Carter Ebbage]

Mmmm so many contradictions in his books.

I have seen quotes..

"Tarns dont like the cold.. so they cant be found in Torvsland"
"Tarns dont like water.. so they cant fly over the sea"

Damn strange birds if you ask me...its a good job their earthly predatory counterparts dont have the same mannerisms.. sea eagles, snow eagles, great golden eagles, siberian mountain eagles, south american condors in the snowy andes.. blah blah.

And then I read about tarn ships.. vessels to transport tarns around...sounds like the Gorean UPS makes deliveries now overseas.

Will just have to RP a band of pirates willing to take tarns in their ships.

Now somebody tell me about a group of pirates that actually RP being pirates in SL GOR and I am on my way to Teletus. 

[Anjali Cazalet]

Mmmm so many contradictions in his books.

You said a mouthful Carter.

further more....

I have seen quotes..

"Tarns dont like the cold.. so they cant be found in Torvsland"
"Tarns dont like water.. so they cant fly over the sea"

Damn strange birds if you ask me...its a good job their earthly predatory counterparts dont have the same mannerisms.. sea eagles, snow eagles, great golden eagles, siberian mountain eagles, south american condors in the snowy andes.. blah blah.

I am in total agreement... I was not nay saying anything. Just to me, it struck as some chord of validity for Tarnsmen flying across Thassa. Since Teletus is an Island, ya know.. and being attached to the CEC, I've allowed flying from the continent and vice versa, to facilitate the RP there. One of the concessions one makes in SL gor. But...I felt logically, Teletian tarns, though smaller than their  northern cousins, living on an island, wouldn't have that same fear of water. They're born there. They would eat the fish aside from the villagers and the errant miscreant that stumbled upon some hungry Tarn.

and then....

Now somebody tell me about a group of pirates that actually RP being pirates in SL GOR and I am on my way to Teletus. 

I likes Pie-rats. Swashbuckling men, yo ho.

*blows kisses*
Bring it on Carter. I'm waiting for you. *winks*

...saunters off with a wicked sway reminiscent of earth's Mae West.

[Carter Ebbage]

Okay.. I got my answer in another Forum... apparently in Book Six.. trevan mercenaries placed their tarns in the holds of ships and hooded them to take them to the Isles to then be used in raids.

Sooooo.. i do need some friendly pirates (bugger)

[Anjali Cazalet]

 

I has lotsa pie rat friends.. wanna borrow some?

You might want to make sure you have enough tarns with you too.... we could have a BIG bar be que!

goes to get the sauce... and sharpens the knives.

[Sucarab Schwartzman]

One can argue that they didn't because of the various passages speaking of the birds not liking to fly over water, but logic and some wee  hour reasoning...

They don't like it, but they do it - as far as I remember the "raiders of gor"
Port Kar had Tarns on the ships to attack the fleets of the enemies.
And the tarnmen were - mercs of treve 

[Anjali Cazalet]

They don't like it, but they do it - as far as I remember the "raiders of gor"
Port Kar had Tarns on the ships to attack the fleets of the enemies.
And the tarnmen were - mercs of treve 

ooh.. I could kiss you Sucarab. Thank you...

Bring on the Tarns!

*chants Bar Be-Que*

[Havoc Rau]

Tarns will not fly out of sight of land, that is made very clear, however when released from the holds of ships, already out of sight of land, they will fly as the books show us.

As to the Tarnsmen of Treve known in Cos etc. there legend is known, that does not mean they have been there

btw, i made a gorean roundship where the hold opens and tarns fly out just so i could attack cos (has a tran rezzer in it)

[zarie kharg]

Terence of Treve helped Port Kar in their epic naval battle against the combined forces of Cos and Tyros. Terence agreed to store tarns on Port Kar ships and then release them in the middle of the sea battle. The tarns fought well, ignoring the fact they were far from land, and helped Port Kar prevail. ....they were out of sight of land and looks like they were trained to except the ships as land but they were sea born  and seams rare so i have rp training seaborn tarns for three years . 

[Pax Canning]

Tarns will not fly out of sight of land, that is made very clear, however when released from the holds of ships, already out of sight of land, they will fly as the books show us.

As to the Tarnsmen of Treve known in Cos etc. there legend is known, that does not mean they have been there

btw, i made a gorean roundship where the hold opens and tarns fly out just so i could attack cos (has a tran rezzer in it)

This is it.  It was described that a tarn would fly over water, but not so far out that they lost sight of the land.   But if you hood them on a ship so that they don't see they are going away from land, apparently they are ok with that.   It was described that the tarns were nervous at first, when they were first unhooded, but then had no trouble flying off the ship into battle, even though they couldn't see land.

[Dracosilverwing Allen]

Dove claims she has quotes for tarns in cold weather. I will try to get them.

[colin Tuck]

Dove claims she has quotes for tarns in cold weather. I will try to get them.

Found this but was no book reference

Tarns: These are the giant riding birds of Gor, also called the Brothers of the Wind. They resemble a hawk but with a crest like a jay. They are surprisingly light for their size due to the hollowness of their bones. A tarn is an extremely powerful bird. It can fly from the ground with a spring and sudden wing flurry. Its tongue is thin, sharp and as long as a man’s arm. It has a curved beak, slit with narrow nostrils. They are not migratory birds and cannot live in the cold northern regions. Tarns are diurnal and carnivorous. They eat only what they catch themselves, usually antelopes and wild bull. If enough food is available, they will eat half their weight. But by Renegades of Gor, tarns are being trained to eat prepared meat. They are seldom more than half-tamed and it is not unknown for a tarn to attack its own rider. Their plumage varies and they are bred for color. The most common color is greenish-brown. Black tarns used for night raids, white for winter raids, and multi-colored for proud warriors who care not for camouflage. It is extremely difficult to fly a tarn from the sight of land. The jungle tarn is a rare bird, gloriously plumaged, from the tropical reaches of the Cartius. Tarns often are trained for specific functions. Draft tarn are used for transporting cargo while Saddle tarns are used for transport of people. War tarns are used by Tarnsmen in battle. Racing Tarns are made for entertainment like Earth horse racing. Racing tarns are different in size, strength, build, and tendencies from most other tarns. They are extremely light so that two men could lift one. Its wings are broader and shorter permitting a swifter take off and a capacity for extremely abrupt turns and shifts in flight. They lack the stamina of most other tarns and cannot carry heavy weight.

[Grammaticus Winterwolf]

Ok can I just say this forgive me for the lack of quotes quite hard where I am don't now but trust me for this. Tarns only come from the moutain of thentis. They we traded or captured from there and can be raised in captivity but are only found wild
in the moutains of thentis and nearby voltai that is the only mention of their origins. Like the rarius says they were known in cos it doesn't mean treve actually travelled there. The tarn ships do not transport tarns they are ram ships only named tarn ships because there bow is shaped and carved like the head of a tarn.

[Dracosilverwing Allen]

White for a winter raid. That would suggest snow, and thus being really cold. It says they cannot live in cold but that does not mean it cannot fly in cold.

[Adoveea Rau]

 Beasts of Gor page 160
 "Who would of thought there would be tarnsmen north of Torvaldsland, " said Ram
"it is possible in the spring and summer," said Sarpedon.

Beasts of Gor Page 178-((they are in Torvaldsland at this point-page 167 for reference)

The tarnsmen were wary. There were five of them. They circled the area sevearl times.
They would have little difficulty even from their distance alot in identifying the lovely captive suspended from the ring. There were few white girls this far north, above Torvaldsland, at the brink of Ax Glacier. Her auburn hair, too, would leave little dbout as to her identity. Such hair, as I noted, is rare on Gor.



And tarns breed and  are all over Gor, not just Thentis. *dryly says * need quotes on that too??

Tarn house has a box outside under the sign that says "Tarn house" with quotes in it for anyone wishing some fast book references about tarns