(RL) Gender of Slavers - relevant?

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[Kaitlin Eiren]

Male characters really.  We try to maintain a pure RP sim, I won't ask you your RL gender, or any RL info for that matter.  (I did have one slave who asked as a limit to not extensively interact with female slavers or females playing a male .. and I would try and respect that)

The setting in a house that trains pleasure slaves would be a difficult one for a female slaver, just by the nature of it (though not impossible).  But primarily I want males since I have a lot of female slaves in the house, and could use more of a male presence.

I would definitely be interested in talking to you in world, I think we might have the potential for some good RP in terms of selling / trading slaves (even if it were to be on a temporary basis) an opportunity for some variety for the girls.

Something to consider is that even with the strictest of role-players they do often draw the line at sexual role-play with someone not of the gender they are playing.  The role of slaver is very sexual in nature at times and quite different than the role of Assassin or Warrior.  I know plenty of great role-players that happen to be male characters controlled by female typists but I believe this will be a limit many will not add to their RP profile even if it is a hard limit for them.  Good luck with your efforts since there is a need for more BTB slaver houses.

[Liara Edring]

Something to consider is that even with the strictest of role-players they do often draw the line at sexual role-play with someone not of the gender they are playing.  The role of slaver is very sexual in nature at times and quite different than the role of Assassin or Warrior.  I know plenty of great role-players that happen to be male characters controlled by female typists but I believe this will be a limit many will not add to their RP profile even if it is a hard limit for them.  Good luck with your efforts since there is a need for more BTB slaver houses.

I think that people who limit themselves with regards to the RL gender of the typist behind the characters aren't, well...being "the strictest of role-players."  I myself have fallen into this trap in the past, even though I cut my teeth RPing in environments where it was impossible to know the RL gender of the person you were RPing with, not just because it was a non-visual medium (at least where I started), but because anyone and everyone played alts of various genders, both ones that you knew about and ones that you didn't.

SL is literally the only medium I have ever RP'd in where people are obsessed with the RL gender of the person behind the character.  In every other platform I've used - ranging from Ayenee Yahoo Chat, WoD SEAChat, Neverwinter Nights, IMVU, and even in face-to-face LARPs - the only thing people have cared about is the IC gender of the person they're RPing with.  And I think that a good part of that issue lies in the fact that very few people in SL got their start RPing elsewhere.  Most of them are coming from IRC venues where OOC was IC and vice versa, or have never RP'd at all and don't really understand the concept.  For a longtime gamer like myself, it's um...odd.  o_O

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Something to consider is that even with the strictest of role-players they do often draw the line at sexual role-play with someone not of the gender they are playing.  The role of slaver is very sexual in nature at times and quite different than the role of Assassin or Warrior.  I know plenty of great role-players that happen to be male characters controlled by female typists but I believe this will be a limit many will not add to their RP profile even if it is a hard limit for them.  Good luck with your efforts since there is a need for more BTB slaver houses.

I think that people who limit themselves with regards to the RL gender of the typist behind the characters aren't, well...being "the strictest of role-players."  I myself have fallen into this trap in the past, even though I cut my teeth RPing in environments where it was impossible to know the RL gender of the person you were RPing with, not just because it was a non-visual medium (at least where I started), but because anyone and everyone played alts of various genders, both ones that you knew about and ones that you didn't.

SL is literally the only medium I have ever RP'd in where people are obsessed with the RL gender of the person behind the character.  In every other platform I've used - ranging from Ayenee Yahoo Chat, WoD SEAChat, Neverwinter Nights, IMVU, and even in face-to-face LARPs - the only thing people have cared about is the IC gender of the person they're RPing with.  And I think that a good part of that issue lies in the fact that very few people in SL got their start RPing elsewhere.  Most of them are coming from IRC venues where OOC was IC and vice versa, or have never RP'd at all and don't really understand the concept.  For a longtime gamer like myself, it's um...odd.  o_O

I would think it has more to do with the inherent sexuality of the genre that I would be hard pressed to find in any other game or role-play.  You may be perfectly fine with gender bending in highly sexualized scenes but many are not.  Some of my favorite role-players are female typists who play men so I am not making a judgment on how authentic it can be done.  I'm simply saying it matters and it matters to a lot of people even if it doesn't bother you at all now that you have experienced it and I would assume enjoyed the RP.

[Randall Reich]

I'm male in RL.  I have no problem answering that if anyone asks me.  If they want to see a pic, I have plenty to show them.  If they want to hear my voice on Skype or whatever that's fine too.  I don't consider it an invasion of my privacy and I'm not offended in the least. 

I get it because I would never knowingly want to have sexual RP with a male typist, or collar a female avatar that is controlled by a male typist.  That's just...icky.  Even though I don't pursue OOC relationships in SL, I don't think you can completely separate yourself from your avatar 100%.  To me our avatars are very much an extension of ourselves.  I could never play a woman in SL nor misrepresent myself to others in that way.  SL Gor is a highly sexual RP environment so I think it's not unreasonable at all to ask someone if they have "indoor or outdoor plumbing" if we're going to take our RP in that direction.  I will always ask and 99 times out of 100 I get a positive response. 

Part of the fun with regard to sexual RP is imagining that what I'm doing is at least turning the other person on somewhat in RL too but the caveat is that for me it means the person on the other end at least has to be female.  If we need to talk in Skype for a few minutes so you know I'm male and so I know you are female, I'm cool with that. 

On the flip side if you refuse to disclose that information, I respect your right to privacy, but I also assume you're probably hiding something and at that point it's a no go.  And if you somehow managed to dupe me and I find out later that you're really a guy, then it's not the end of the world, I'm just not going to RP with you ever again. 

[Liara Edring]

I would think it has more to do with the inherent sexuality of the genre that I would be hard pressed to find in any other game or role-play.  You may be perfectly fine with gender bending in highly sexualized scenes but many are not.  Some of my favorite role-players are female typists who play men so I am not making a judgment on how authentic it can be done.  I'm simply saying it matters and it matters to a lot of people even if it doesn't bother you at all now that you have experienced it and I would assume enjoyed the RP.

Kait, trust me, the places that I played prior to SL were hyper sexual.  In fact, for the most part, people are far more open and sexual on those other platforms than they are on your average Gorean sim.  So I don't think that is it at all.

[Kiana Kuhr]

Yeah, I think that if the rl gender mAtters then that person is nowhere near "the strictest of rpers." I get hat Randall is saying but there are many reasons why someone wouldn't voice verify besides them being an opposite gender of their character. So seriously, if it means that much, I'd rather not play with that person becAuse it's a pretty big red flag to me that the rp is not just rp to them. That is my opinion. Others are entitled to their own but I don't think that sexuality in the rp is an excuse.

[Randall Reich]

To clarify, I'll RP with anyone regardless of who is behind the keyboard up until if it gets sexual.  At that point I want to know if I'm dealing with a guy or girl.  And if they don't wish to disclose that's OK, but I move on.  I don't demand that everyone has to voice verify but I will always at least ask what they have under the kimono if I don't already know.  I think it's far more common in SL for men to feel this way. Most women I have met don't care so much about this issue. 

[Randall Reich]

<Partner6>    So you're really a 18 yr old girl right?
<J-Doggg>    Yeah, J for Julie.
<Partner6>    So whats with the "Dogg"
<J-Doggg>    Uh, It's cause I'm into the latina gangs and shit. You know, rollin with tha homies and shit.
<Partner6>    Oh, uh ok thats cool. So you ever seen a gun?
<J-Doggg>    Yeah like I got 6 guns.
<Partner6>    Thats cool, so you wanna see my gun?
<J-Doggg>    hehe, of course baby.
<Partner6>    I pull off my pants and show you my "gun".
<J-Doggg>    Ohh, it's so big.
<Partner6>    Yeah, what you want to do?
<J-Doggg>    Umm, i guess stroke it or something.
<Partner6>    It likes that.
<J-Doggg>    aight.
<Partner6>    Keep talking to me baby...
<J-Doggg>    I kiss you on the mouth, hard, but then gently.
<Partner6>    Mmmm, daddy like.
<J-Doggg>    I unzip my pants...
<Partner6>    Yes, show me what you got.
<J-Doggg>    I pull out my schlong, and rub it on your breasts...
<Partner6>    WTF?!
<J-Doggg>    Oh shit, I meant, your schlong! your schlong!
<Partner6>    I've had it with you queers trying to cyber me, I only fuck women...
<J-Doggg>    Shit just don't shoot me man, I wasn't serious about the guns I have, I'm unarmed!
<Partner6>    You dipshit.
<J-Doggg>    I whimper to myself...
<J-Doggg>    please don't shoot me Mr.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

I would think it has more to do with the inherent sexuality of the genre that I would be hard pressed to find in any other game or role-play.  You may be perfectly fine with gender bending in highly sexualized scenes but many are not.  Some of my favorite role-players are female typists who play men so I am not making a judgment on how authentic it can be done.  I'm simply saying it matters and it matters to a lot of people even if it doesn't bother you at all now that you have experienced it and I would assume enjoyed the RP.

Kait, trust me, the places that I played prior to SL were hyper sexual.  In fact, for the most part, people are far more open and sexual on those other platforms than they are on your average Gorean sim.  So I don't think that is it at all.

I'm not sure I explained it as well as I could have.  Certainly there are other genre where sex may be omnipresent but it is not such an integral part of the genre as it is featured in JNs novels.  Male Dominance is a central theme.  I stand by my statement that plenty of role-players do avoid this type of RP if its sexual.  A slavers role will always have those undertones if you look at even the most basic training.  Works for you...fine...but that does not extend to many and its certainly something I would consider in hiring a slaver even if I know a phenomenal female typist that RPs as a slaver and provides some of the best training material  .  My preference would still be for a female slaver over that.  

You found it acceptable RP and I would not so lets just agree to disagree.

My only reason for commenting to the OP was his statement about the openness of the slaves and I don't believe this is a limit you will find in many profiles while it does exist.  

[serene mistwood]

I am afraid I am of the same opinion as Randall.  Although I respect many many people who alt or even have their main on a different gender and have had some awesome RP with them, when it comes to sexual intimate RP, I want to know its a man and not a female too.  But then,  I don't pretend to be a 100% RP'er and am quite open that I can happily mix IC and OOC without it affecting my RL at all (unless I want it to - and sometimes I do).   I disagree it makes us less of a RP'er than you.  In my experience many avatars are an extension in one way or another of the self, consciously or unconsciously,  certainly those that post on the forums often are very very similar in character to their AV's in world in many aspects when I think about those whom I know personally and well.   Often, the similarity is quite remarkable in fact.

[Kaitlin Eiren]

To clarify, I'll RP with anyone regardless of who is behind the keyboard up until if it gets sexual.  At that point I want to know if I'm dealing with a guy or girl.  And if they don't wish to disclose that's OK, but I move on.  I don't demand that everyone has to voice verify but I will always at least ask what they have under the kimono if I don't already know.  I think it's far more common in SL for men to feel this way. Most women I have met don't care so much about this issue. 

Hey...a lot of women care.  I want the authenticity of thought that comes from having the required plumbing rather than you typing what you think I want to hear or what you have found exciting in the past since as a female typist that is all you offer.  It has nothing to do with OOC but realism.  Just my opinion and I know there are women who don't care for the sake of the paragraphs but that is not most.  The shortage of men in SL has not gotten that bad yet I don't think.

[Randall Reich]

I think it's bullshit though when the people who say they don't give a squat about the gender of the person on the other end make the ones who do care seem like privacy invading Nazis or that it automatically means they want to take things OOC.  It doesn't.  It just means they don't want to have that type of RP with someone of the same sex.  Given how easy it is for people to lie about themselves in SL it has become somewhat of a necessity for those who care to ask the question--are you a guy/girl in RL?  If you don't want to say, fine, it's your choice not to reveal that information just as it is my choice not to engage in sexual RP with you.  It doesn't mean that the person who asks that question is not worth roleplaying with.   

[Reven]

I am one of them people that do not care who is behind the keyboard.

If im asked to voice verify before doing intimate scenes I might - I might not. I speak on skype to a few close friends. I also have spoken on skype to others from our group that I feel comfortable doing so. I also check myself each morning to make sure my boobs are still there.. Never knows what can happen when you sleep 

But for me.. why doesn't it matter? Im here for RP  I love and live in the RP. Does part of the REAL me get involved in my character? Sometimes..

I have fcd a female typist I loved the story i had with her mantoon. And taking up yet another story with them. I know shes female RL yet Ic she is everything a Gorean man should be.

But again I can understand the need and how some people can feel cheated when it comes down to the naughty side. Your smokin hot guy is actually a chick.. Or vice versa

At the end of the day its what makes  - You - comfortable. What I do people would and could be frowned at.. Do I care much? Not really.. Unless Im doing something that is not fitting to the guidelines the books set out. or to the true nature of my character. Why would it matter?

Just my opinion anyway

[Kaitlin Eiren]

I am one of them people that do not care who is behind the keyboard.

If im asked to voice verify before doing intimate scenes I might - I might not. I speak on skype to a few close friends. I also have spoken on skype to others from our group that I feel comfortable doing so. I also check myself each morning to make sure my boobs are still there.. Never knows what can happen when you sleep 

But for me.. why doesn't it matter? Im here for RP  I love and live in the RP. Does part of the REAL me get involved in my character? Sometimes..

I have fcd a female typist I loved the story i had with her mantoon. And taking up yet another story with them. I know shes female RL yet Ic she is everything a Gorean man should be.

But again I can understand the need and how some people can feel cheated when it comes down to the naughty side. Your smokin hot guy is actually a chick.. Or vice versa

At the end of the day its what makes  - You - comfortable. What I do people would and could be frowned at.. Do I care much? Not really.. Unless Im doing something that is not fitting to the guidelines the books set out. or to the true nature of my character. Why would it matter?

Just my opinion anyway

I think there is no right or wrong way to play this game.  I do think however that a person who engages with someone else sexually has the right to be bothered if they are same gender especially if its not a one off.

Psst...your guy that has a female typist is a smoking hot RPer.  I might change my mind for him...might.  He is one of the few that I would be so busy typing that I didn't even have that thought.     This is in no way a thread against cross gender RP.  I think some bring an authenticity to the role that is unmatched.  I just don't want to have a detailed sex scene with them regardless of length and I don't use FTB.  For me this is also a bit about the relationship between a slaver and and a slave they are training.  It is a RP partnership that requires candor.

[Randall Reich]

The idea that I unwittingly could be typing sweet nothings to a beefy 250 lb plumber named Frank is enough to make me at least ask if someone has indoor or outdoor plumbing first.