What is a High Paga Girl?

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[Darra Lavendel]

I was once told I have the potential to become a "high paga girl".


When asked what that was, the man replied it is a girl who is so highly trained that frees would spend 1,000 gold tarsks just for a night with her.

Is this mentioned anywhere in the books? Has anyone else ever heard of such a title?

[Betony Baryl]

Yes!  This is found in Guardsman of Gor.

"A Coin Girl," said the girl with the leash, "will struggle to please a man as much for a tarsk bit, as a high paga slave for a thousand gold pieces, to be paid by her master's customers for her use."

Wow!  Not sure there is an experience that awesome. Decadence!  Just sheer decadence!  LOL

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Wow!  Not sure there is an experience that awesome. Decadence!  Just sheer decadence!  LOL

Indeed    I wonder what one got for that much coin.

[Tanti]

Yes!  This is found in Guardsman of Gor.

"A Coin Girl," said the girl with the leash, "will struggle to please a man as much for a tarsk bit, as a high paga slave for a thousand gold pieces, to be paid by her master's customers for her use."

Wow!  Not sure there is an experience that awesome. Decadence!  Just sheer decadence!  LOL

I always imagined it as the equivalent of buying designer clothing on Earth. People pay for labels despite the fact that they're hidden inside the clothing and any decent clothier could provide the same quality for a fraction of the price. I see high slaves and high paga slaves as the same. You might get the same pleasure from a bog-standard paga slave, but you get more kudos by saying "I spent the night in the alcoves with XXX last night" where XXX is well-known, expensive, local high paga slave. A status thing, then.

[Revenge Sempati]

Tends to be a prestige thing.  Not all paga taverns are created equal either, some or dirty smoke filled dens and others are grand multi leveled buildings of refinement.  I figured its like paying street walker $50 for a BJ versus $1000 for the same from a elite escort agency.

[Anarch Allegiere]

Problem with books is ... Especially when they are attempted to be used as a form of "canon" or as a means to judge if something is plausible or not, is the fact that in narrations and character conversations it's never 100% clear to know wether what someone said was an actual fact, or an opinion or exagguration or a figure of speech...

The "1000 gold coins"-thing most likely, in my opinion, was an exagguration to drive through the point which the girl tried to make.

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People tend to have the habbit to take everything stated in a book as facts, unless the author explicitly states it was an exagguration or an opinion. Not all authors do this, nor is it necessary. There are many occasions (and I sadly had to take a literature class) where something said in a book is not to be taken as truth at all. And I'm afraid that the same applies to the books on Gor...

Taking anything written in fictional books as facts for that fictional world is a grey area... and reaches into the domain of historical criticism almost on many levels to determine if something could be taken as a 100% positive true statement or not... Which you'll find, in the end, is impossible for fiction... which isn't odd considering up until today many historians still squable over the authenticity of statements and things written down only half a century ago...

[Tanti]

I think there's enough written in the books about high slaves to suggest that a high paga slave might easily cost 1000 gold pieces for her usage, if she were, as Revenge said, in a high-class establishment, like a decadent, multi-story tavern in Ar for example.

I understand what you're saying about unreliable narrators and dialogue in fiction, but in this case given what else we've been told about high slaves, wars being fought for slaves, thousands passing hands for a single slave, etc. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to see it as plausible.

In my experience though, most people dislike the notion that any one slave could be more valuable than another... especially if she is more valuable that the slave observing or the slave of the free person observing. I do believe there was a clusterfuck of a conversation that exemplified this rather well lately, where some slaves were told to act as display slaves and got chewed out for not 'serving'.

The second you attempt to play anything other than a slave that is worth two copper bits and striving for exquisite beauty and absolute obedience while giving her master a blowjob with a broom handle up her ass while darning a sock, you will come up against brick wall after brick wall simply because most people either haven't read the books and therefore don't even understand that there would be different 'types' and levels of slaves for different things, or because those that have read the books are too 'manly' to do such a thing as be dazzled by a high slave, or too loved-up to use a paga slave while his own slave is around etc. Though on the occasions that you meet someone who understands the genre and the different types of slaves and gets what you're doing, it can be magical.

Edit: typo

[Mordachai Draegonne]

Yes!  This is found in Guardsman of Gor.

"A Coin Girl," said the girl with the leash, "will struggle to please a man as much for a tarsk bit, as a high paga slave for a thousand gold pieces, to be paid by her master's customers for her use."

Wow!  Not sure there is an experience that awesome. Decadence!  Just sheer decadence!  LOL

I read it somewhat differently. It is my belief that the narrator isnt saying there are pagaslaves that get paid 1000 gold pieces, but rather that the coin girl would strive to be as pleasing to a master for one tarskbit, as a pagagirl would be to a master who would pay high amounts for her use. She blows it out of proportion for the sake of explaining just how pleasing she would be... something people tend to do in conversation.

[Mordachai Draegonne]

Tends to be a prestige thing.  Not all paga taverns are created equal either, some or dirty smoke filled dens and others are grand multi leveled buildings of refinement.  I figured its like paying street walker $50 for a BJ versus $1000 for the same from a elite escort agency.

True, slaves are there in all kinds of shapes, sizes and prices, yet 1000 gold for a one time use seems somewhat overprized. Forgive my rudimentary calculations, its 2:30 am and im not entirely awake, but lets say for the sake of argument that 10 tarskbits make a copper, 10 copper makes a silver, 10 silver make a gold.. then 1000 gold would be a million tarskbits. I'd go to a somewhat classier paga tavern and have several tries instead of spending it all in one place..

[Betony Baryl]

It's hard to know for certain.  When I read it initially, I took it to mean literally 1000 Gold Pieces.  It's hard to comprehend how the very wealthy will spend their money.  (I'm thinking of the Enron guy that bought a $25,000 shower curtain. ) 

But yeah, the 1000 gold pieces could just as easily been an exaggerated amount! 

Should we get a list together with questions like these and send it to Norman?  Um . . . just what the hell did you mean by this John?

[Tanti]

Tends to be a prestige thing.  Not all paga taverns are created equal either, some or dirty smoke filled dens and others are grand multi leveled buildings of refinement.  I figured its like paying street walker $50 for a BJ versus $1000 for the same from a elite escort agency.

True, slaves are there in all kinds of shapes, sizes and prices, yet 1000 gold for a one time use seems somewhat overprized. Forgive my rudimentary calculations, its 2:30 am and im not entirely awake, but lets say for the sake of argument that 10 tarskbits make a copper, 10 copper makes a silver, 10 silver make a gold.. then 1000 gold would be a million tarskbits. I'd go to a somewhat classier paga tavern and have several tries instead of spending it all in one place..

It would be 8 million tarsk bits according to my calculations, but as Betonyl said, it would likely only be the very, very wealthy that would go for it anyway. Say 4% of the population are slaves, say 1% of those are high slaves (0.04% of total population), and with most of those being trainers or owned by very wealthy men, let's be generous and say 1 in 10 high slaves are high paga slaves. That's 0.004% of the population. So they'd be very, very rare, obviously. But very, very wealthy people in RL spend crazy amounts of money on things every day just because they can.

[Shyla Timeless]

Maybe his statement means something like this:

"This chocloate is to DIE for!"

OK, it might be really, really good but when something like that is said ... we don't actually mean we would give up our lives for it and I doubt the guy meant he woulld pay that amount -literally-.  He was probably just growling out in his sexy time voice to make the girl swoon!   

[Dren Bernard]

What else would one be able to buy on Gor with that sort of money? If we reference the paga girl services to other goods or services, what compares? Daily black wine for how long?

[Betony Baryl]

Maybe his statement means something like this:

"This chocloate is to DIE for!"

OK, it might be really, really good but when something like that is said ... we don't actually mean we would give up our lives for it and I doubt the guy meant he woulld pay that amount -literally-.  He was probably just growling out in his sexy time voice to make the girl swoon!   

Actually, the quote I cited was said by the Coin Girl's trainer, who was a Coin Girl herself.  Shrugs . . . again, it could've been a fantastical amount the slave girl threw out for emphasis or a piece of knowledge she had . . being in the "industry" so to speak.  

[Kaitlin Eiren]

What else would one be able to buy on Gor with that sort of money? If we reference the paga girl services to other goods or services, what compares? Daily black wine for how long?

You are biased.