Gay/Les Gor Play

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[Misha Hellershanks]

Prejudice is an integral part of Gor. It's so pervasive that Gor wouldn't even be Gor without it. Homosexuality, in large part, doesn't belong IC in BTB Gor. I don't know why it's an issue, to be honest. It's like saying Gor is sexist and everyone should be culturally sensitive to a feminist agenda. Anyone that plays in BTB Gor must accept its inherent prejudice as part of the game.

The next time i am OOC escorted out of a Market to a BTB city i will file a TOS volation

[Sayrax wiefel]

am just curoius what segment would it be reported on?  Sexual harrsment? Althouh Id file a tos fo the hell of it to

[Drevan Darkbyrd]

Prejudice is an integral part of Gor. It's so pervasive that Gor wouldn't even be Gor without it. Homosexuality, in large part, doesn't belong IC in BTB Gor. I don't know why it's an issue, to be honest. It's like saying Gor is sexist and everyone should be culturally sensitive to a feminist agenda. Anyone that plays in BTB Gor must accept its inherent prejudice as part of the game.

The next time i am OOC escorted out of a Market to a BTB city i will file a TOS volation

Misha Sims are Privately Owned and the Owners can ban and Restrict anyone they want for any reason or no reason at all

Secondly Eternity is Right This is Gor There is prejudice get over

Thirdly I find it highly hypocritical of the BtB Community Any OTHER issue where something happens once in the books or rarely and there is a Long fight from many many people that just cause it happened a little didnt mean it was the norm, but take that SAME criteria to an issue like Homosexuality and you all get scared and want to just let it happen cause your afraid to get called a biggot, well I never have and never will give a F**k what others think of me So I am stating clearly here and now, I will not accept RP of a Gay Sim, I will treat like a Femlaw Sim, I will not participate in a Gay Rape scene (yes Rape cause it DAMN sure wouldnt be voluntary) If I see the RARE oddity as it states in the books happened, though so far the only culture shown on this Forum to mention this even being seen by or around is the Red Savages and Waniyanpi I will treat it as an oddity and most likely be open my Character finds it sick and react accordingly ie walk away disgusted

Now you can start your name calling as I know will come

Edit: As a P.S. What a person does in private is their business and I will fight for everyone to have that right I speak only of Public Roleplay and not just stuff that is in local cause of chat range  I dont see or hear thru walls when in roleplay at best I will hear muffled moans and still cant tell whats happening but I do reserve the right to still walk away atleast out of Chat range just wont be stated that was the reason, I dont "hate " Gays, I hate Hypocrits and any BtB RPer that doesnt put this issue thru the same ringer all other mentioned only a couple times issues are, is exactly that

[Sayrax wiefel]

I feel bad about posting this now...sighs

[Laja DeCuir]

Admin Remark

I do like the discussion so far, thank you all. It is only about: my sensitive antennas tell me it is only a lil moment away from a dramalike far too emotional discussion.

For the record: please don't let your emotions run your typos, won't help the topic anyway and it won't change the opinions from others.
I don't have quotes on gorean gays either, though if it is -let's say- ungorean, well then it is a rule of a game. But this is not mirroring (or shouldn't do so) an rl-attitude.
In the 20th century it is unbelievible, that we still have homophobians or people who think they can rule the sexuality of others THIS is immo intolerant and disgusting. Apart from that it is bigoted to rape a woman even in rp and point with the fingers on gays/les. Btw do we have any quotes on lesbian sex in the books or is this only one of those porn fantasies some men feeling touched by?...hm, well norman is male too...
However be careful this topic is one where rl and sl could be mixed up easily.

[Loredana Varonia]

I cannot recall any episode with lesbian matters in the books. and re gay only one (do not ask me where, i am too tired and will go to sleep!) with a master and his "special" relation to one of his male slaves.

some time ago i was strolling around and by chance came to a gor lesbian sim... i am not lesbian but  was curious. but already the architecture was too medieval to be gorean.... an alt of myself remembers a group in the tahari with around 95% gay population... some kajirae too, i.e. women that wanted rp without sex. but  sorry, to sum it up: had few to do with gor!

[Drevan Darkbyrd]

Admin Remark

I do like the discussion so far, thank you all. It is only about: my sensitive antennas tell me it is only a lil moment away from a dramalike far too emotional discussion.

For the record: please don't let your emotions run your typos, won't help the topic anyway and it won't change the opinions from others.
I don't have quotes on gorean gays either, though if it is -let's say- ungorean, well then it is a rule of a game. But this is not mirroring (or shouldn't do so) an rl-attitude.
In the 20th century it is unbelievible, that we still have homophobians or people who think they can rule the sexuality of others THIS is immo intolerant and disgusting. Apart from that it is bigoted to rape a woman even in rp and point with the fingers on gays/les. Btw do we have any quotes on lesbian sex in the books or is this only one of those porn fantasies some men feeling touched by?...hm, well norman is male too...
However be careful this topic is one where rl and sl could be mixed up easily.

Laja we arent talking about 20th Century Earth, We are talking about Societal Norms of Gor, and that has Rape of women atleast in the case of slaves or those about to be so to a societal Norms so yes, they can say one is sick while the other isnt, doesnt mean that Norman wont make a book set 20 years later that that has changed , but since you brought Earth CUlture into it it wasnt that long ago People called Black People anything but Black....come to think of it, I dont remember if we can even call them black anymore........"UGGGGGGH I HATE BEING PC its just easier to let them think your a biggot

[Skye Gartle]

I have many gay friends and no problem with it, I can even hug them if I have not seen them for a while, they respect me in being hetero and I respect them in being gay. I can also hug a woman I do not want to have sex with, I see no difference. I am irritated by lesbians, when they hate me just for being a man though.

On Gor I would agree with Drevan. I would have no problem with gay people, living their sexuality in private as Goreans would not have openly lived their sexuality as it was an oddity.

Would I roleplay on a gay sim? No, I do not think so.
Would I follow the roleply if I am capped by a gay? As long as it is not sexual, I would.

I am simple, I do only want one woman to please me, when it comes to sex. More then one is porn *smirks* and just distracting me.

[Conall DeCuir]

I have many gay friends and no problem with it, I can even hug them if I have not seen them, they respect me in being hetero and I respect them in being gay. I can also hug a woman I do not want to have sex with, I see no difference. I am irritated by lesbians, when they hate me just for being a man though.

On Gor I would agree with Drevan. I would have no problem with gay people, living their sexuality in private as Goreans would not have openly lived their sexuality as it was an oddity.

Would I roleplay on a gay sim? No, I do not think so.
Would I follow the roleply if I am capped by a gay? As long as it is not sexual, I would.

I am simple, I do only want one woman to please me, when it comes to sex. More then one is porn *smirks* and just distracting me.

That !

And i would want to add, that the average gorean man loves women and though there have will have been gays at gor, they wouldn't so really have done it all in the open. That example about a thrall, a work slave at Torvaldsland, doing a lap serve in a great hall is very much out of what gor is meant to be.

Of course everyone can do in his/her sim what they want to do. But please, do not try to force it upon the rest when you are RPing on other sims, don't call it btb and don't mix it up with homophobia.

[Skye Gartle]

That example about a thrall, a work slave at Torvaldsland, doing a lap serve in a great hall is very much out of what gor is meant to be.

I just try to picture that. Let us say 10 % of Goreans were gay. Now lets say, there are 100 male Torvies living in that home. So with being in the great hall of them while a thrall is making a lapdance on your thighs, you might face 90 Torvies who look at you oddly.

It would scare the shit out of me when I picture that in reality

[Claude Belgar]

In the 20th century

Small niptick, we're in the 21st century

[Kaitlin Eiren]

Lesbian stuff was in the books... so women shouldn't have that as RP limit imo.

LOL...only from a man of course. 
There is not a single lesbian scene provided in the books while the relationship of Milo and his owner is offered in more detail.  Being gay would be rare in Gor and looked at as being deviant behavior although it would not be viewed with the animosity often seen on "Earth."

I would approach a gay man/slave as a good source of gossip and curiosity.

[JF Kanto]

In my earlier post i did not consider being raped by another man.  Could it happen?  I suppose so, though I feel that it is a huge stretch......For me and my character, I would FTB....just not something I would rp out...oh and expect consequences if my character is left alive...just sayin.

[Rayzor McAuley]

Laja we arent talking about 20th Century Earth, We are talking about Societal Norms of Gor, and that has Rape of women atleast in the case of slaves or those about to be so to a societal Norms so yes, they can say one is sick while the other isnt, doesnt mean that Norman wont make a book set 20 years later that that has changed , but since you brought Earth CUlture into it it wasnt that long ago People called Black People anything but Black....come to think of it, I dont remember if we can even call them black anymore........"UGGGGGGH I HATE BEING PC its just easier to let them think your a biggot

I know what you mean.  And these days, you have to be careful about using the word "gay."  I guess times are changing and soon the word will end up being only acceptable for homosexuals to use.  Reminds me of something that I once saw on the television show Boston Public.  There was a teacher at the school, Harvey Lipschultz, who was constantly being told he was a bigot.  In one episode, he said....

"I can't keep up with this! First they were negroes. Then they were colored. Then they were black. Now they're African-Americans. Why don't I just avoid all controversy and just call them African-American black colored negroes?"   

[Caranda Schreiner]

This was debated on goreanforums ín a lengthy thread and every single quote that refers to or even hints at homosexuality was discussed.

To give you the Cliffs Notes version - homosexuality was rare on Gor and generally regarded as a bit odd or baffling but otherwise tolerated.  What an owner decided to require of his or her slaves in private was the owner's business and nobody else's.