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[Revenge Sempati]

...the point was the ever growing -lack- of consequence...

In otherwords to go with previous posts that men must be the bearers of consequence....men are to blame.   

I would saying it is not a lack of consequence, it has been a long growing overriding of consequences that players refuse to accept, since it doesn't fit with that they want for their character.  Doesn't seem to matter for some players that their actions obviously will lead to harsh reaction and they are willing to undertake the acts but flatly refuse to take on any negative consequence for those actions.
The FW that acts like a whore sucking cock in the alleys, gets caught and put on trial to reduce her to slavery.  She bitches and moans, berating everyone in IMs or OOCly and refuses to carry out the sentence or vanishes to an alt/other sim to continue the same behaviour.
The warrior that does something against codes r orders, get his hand slapped and told that he cannot do such and such a thing IC, he rants and raves and threatens that if he (as the best fighter in city) is not allowed to do what he want he is taking himself elsewhere.
The slave that for the 10th time that day has purposefully snubbed, screwed up an order, or my fav as a bond takes attitude with free telling them what she can and cannot do, then screams and cries when she is put in her place...or walks away in the middle of it because she does not want her hot avatar to be humiliated or whipped.

Like the tango you need two people to move together to make it work.  Ven can react and be a ball breaking hardass giving out consequences to peoples actions.  However, if they refuse to carry out or accept the flow of action/reaction then Ven is just a raging and fool talking to himself on the street corner.  It is not being led around by the dick, it is not wasting our time on futile things that have no value.

If I have a choice between attempting to correct that mouthy FW that drives everyone insane and know that it is very likely any RP I undertake with that FW will be ignored or overridden.  Or to go have a long winded discussion with a slave over the state of my laundry and I know that slave will accept a possible whipping for something minor like that without slipping OOC.   Guess where I will focus my time and energy.....on the person willing to play along with me to create a story, not some that refuses to adjust their story or face consequences for things they have done.
Most of us are here to RP and create intersting stories.  Not babysit childish self centered ass hats that only consider and do what they want.

[Tertionus]

Most of us are here to RP and create intersting stories.  Not babysit childish self centered ass hats that only consider and do what they want.

Agree. And with everything else you typed.

It's normally people with things like "know how to be a man" or "man up" or "I haven't yet met anyone who could dominate me" in their profile that require the constant 'punishment' too. tend to avoid them.

I find it quite amusing when a woman tells me how to be a man. Particularly when it involves spanking her repeatedly and calling her a very naughty girl, when actually I'd rather just have a cup of coffee and a good read.

[Drevan Darkbyrd]

Most of us are here to RP and create intersting stories.  Not babysit childish self centered ass hats that only consider and do what they want.

Agree. And with everything else you typed.

It's normally people with things like "know how to be a man" or "man up" or "I haven't yet met anyone who could dominate me" in their profile that require the constant 'punishment' too. tend to avoid them.

I find it quite amusing when a woman tells me how to be a man. Particularly when it involves spanking her repeatedly and calling her a very naughty girl, when actually I'd rather just have a cup of coffee and a good read.

I know what you mean like Guys that talk about putting on their " Big Boy Boxers" but it strikes me that a True "Big Boy" wouldn't need to point it out in order to diminish someone else
Or  people that Talk about how Citizens of One Country should not get offended by atrocities on their land and instead feel bad for any thing their country had DONE in response to said atrocity and then turn around and COMPLETELY dismiss what their country had done for Centuries to other Nations without ANY prior provocation aside from being NEXT to them Geographically

[Kaitlin Eiren]

...the point was the ever growing -lack- of consequence...

I find it to be the growing number of people who come to the table with implausible RP with various excuses for their behavior.  I don't think they should be rewarded with RP even if it is to put them "in their place".  

There is nothing I hate more than the "if he was a real gorean man" talk that I often hear from both slaves and FW.   I would not think much of a man who is manipulated by this type of attention seeking RP to jump to action and then ask "how high" over and over.

[Tertionus]

Most of us are here to RP and create intersting stories.  Not babysit childish self centered ass hats that only consider and do what they want.

Agree. And with everything else you typed.

It's normally people with things like "know how to be a man" or "man up" or "I haven't yet met anyone who could dominate me" in their profile that require the constant 'punishment' too. tend to avoid them.

I find it quite amusing when a woman tells me how to be a man. Particularly when it involves spanking her repeatedly and calling her a very naughty girl, when actually I'd rather just have a cup of coffee and a good read.

I know what you mean like Guys that talk about putting on their " Big Boy Boxers" but it strikes me that a True "Big Boy" wouldn't need to point it out in order to diminish someone else
Or  people that Talk about how Citizens of One Country should not get offended by atrocities on their land and instead feel bad for any thing their country had DONE in response to said atrocity and then turn around and COMPLETELY dismiss what their country had done for Centuries to other Nations without ANY prior provocation aside from being NEXT to them Geographically

I've reported your post, Drevan. It's off-topic and completely irrelevant to the thread. I'm sure Laja closed the apology thread and the one related to it for a reason. Be a good boy and let it lie, eh?

Additionally, your seeming obsessiveness over my posts in several threads is a little creepy. I don't mind - it's flattering, in a way. But you might consider making a blog dedicated to what an asshole I am, or perhaps cross-stitching "Tert is an asshole" (or dick, or whatever other big words you can pull out of your brain today) onto a pretty doily, so that other people needn't be subjected to it when they click a thread to read about something that isn't... me.

I'd tell you to take your beef with me to PMs, but, well. I'd ignore them.

Have a good day. And watch your blood pressure there, fella.

I won't be responding to any more of your off-topic, personal attack posts. Amusing as they are to a grown man, encouraging you wouldn't be good for the forum.

[Tertionus]

 I would not think much of a man who is manipulated by this type of attention seeking RP to jump to action and then ask "how high" over and over.

Precisely. Speaking ICly, my character isn't going to be pushed into paying attention to someone simply because they do something 'naughty' in the manner of a petulant, attention-seeking child to try and garner attention. Good behavior is rewarded. Bad ignored.

It is generally quite easy to tell the difference between someone seeking attention in this way and someone who is simply playing a character who happens to be in trouble at that particular moment for a genuine reason. Or happens to be upset/angry IC, whatever.

[Spacer Ghostraven]

Most of us are here to RP and create intersting stories.  Not babysit childish self centered ass hats that only consider and do what they want.

Agree. And with everything else you typed.

It's normally people with things like "know how to be a man" or "man up" or "I haven't yet met anyone who could dominate me" in their profile that require the constant 'punishment' too. tend to avoid them.

I find it quite amusing when a woman tells me how to be a man. Particularly when it involves spanking her repeatedly and calling her a very naughty girl, when actually I'd rather just have a cup of coffee and a good read.

I know what you mean like Guys that talk about putting on their " Big Boy Boxers" but it strikes me that a True "Big Boy" wouldn't need to point it out in order to diminish someone else
Or  people that Talk about how Citizens of One Country should not get offended by atrocities on their land and instead feel bad for any thing their country had DONE in response to said atrocity and then turn around and COMPLETELY dismiss what their country had done for Centuries to other Nations without ANY prior provocation aside from being NEXT to them Geographically

I've reported your post, Drevan. It's off-topic and completely irrelevant to the thread. I'm sure Laja closed the apology thread and the one related to it for a reason. Be a good boy and let it lie, eh?

Additionally, your seeming obsessiveness over my posts in several threads is a little creepy. I don't mind - it's flattering, in a way. But you might consider making a blog dedicated to what an asshole I am, or perhaps cross-stitching "Tert is an asshole" (or dick, or whatever other big words you can pull out of your brain today) onto a pretty doily, so that other people needn't be subjected to it when they click a thread to read about something that isn't... me.

I'd tell you to take your beef with me to PMs, but, well. I'd ignore them.

Have a good day. And watch your blood pressure there, fella.

I won't be responding to any more of your off-topic, personal attack posts. Amusing as they are to a grown man, encouraging you wouldn't be good for the forum.

Uhhh You reported this for a Personal Attack? From What? his lack of names or countries or any kind of specifics? I think you need to be watching Blood Pressure Tertious as clearly you see attacks when none are there. So I turn your comment back to you, What is YOUR beef with Drevan? Maybe you didnt notice but but he has many many posts he has made over several months  (My Favorites are his multiple Fights with Anarch over the LCS those got rather funny between the two) while you, clearly, haven't. More over, Any who have read his stuff often find he is often Accusatory, pushy, more than a bit willing to fight but I wouldn't expect someone new to the forums to know that

[Tertionus]

...the point was the ever growing -lack- of consequence...

I think another problem is that often, people looking for punishment role play have a specific punishment in mind. They want to be whipped, raped, whatever. So if a free man does nothing more than chastise a free woman and send her home, or strip her and make her walk home through the streets in nothing but her veil, there is backlash. Because unless a man punishes a woman for every transgression, and in precisely the way she wants to be punished, he is apparently "not a man".

I do try to engage those that seem genuinely interested in role play, but Revenge's comments about becoming dissuaded by the reactions of the slaves and free women acting up, and their companions, ring sadly true over my 15 years role playing Gor - and got worse when we moved from IRC/HTML to SL.

[Rayzor McAuley]

...the point was the ever growing -lack- of consequence...

In otherwords to go with previous posts that men must be the bearers of consequence....men are to blame.   

I would saying it is not a lack of consequence, it has been a long growing overriding of consequences that players refuse to accept, since it doesn't fit with that they want for their character.  Doesn't seem to matter for some players that their actions obviously will lead to harsh reaction and they are willing to undertake the acts but flatly refuse to take on any negative consequence for those actions.
The FW that acts like a whore sucking cock in the alleys, gets caught and put on trial to reduce her to slavery.  She bitches and moans, berating everyone in IMs or OOCly and refuses to carry out the sentence or vanishes to an alt/other sim to continue the same behaviour.
The warrior that does something against codes r orders, get his hand slapped and told that he cannot do such and such a thing IC, he rants and raves and threatens that if he (as the best fighter in city) is not allowed to do what he want he is taking himself elsewhere.
The slave that for the 10th time that day has purposefully snubbed, screwed up an order, or my fav as a bond takes attitude with free telling them what she can and cannot do, then screams and cries when she is put in her place...or walks away in the middle of it because she does not want her hot avatar to be humiliated or whipped.

Like the tango you need two people to move together to make it work.  Ven can react and be a ball breaking hardass giving out consequences to peoples actions.  However, if they refuse to carry out or accept the flow of action/reaction then Ven is just a raging and fool talking to himself on the street corner.  It is not being led around by the dick, it is not wasting our time on futile things that have no value.

If I have a choice between attempting to correct that mouthy FW that drives everyone insane and know that it is very likely any RP I undertake with that FW will be ignored or overridden.  Or to go have a long winded discussion with a slave over the state of my laundry and I know that slave will accept a possible whipping for something minor like that without slipping OOC.   Guess where I will focus my time and energy.....on the person willing to play along with me to create a story, not some that refuses to adjust their story or face consequences for things they have done.
Most of us are here to RP and create intersting stories.  Not babysit childish self centered ass hats that only consider and do what they want.

       

[thyri Carver]

I have to agree with you.  When it comes to punishments or discipline or correction, it seems as though I've seen certain characters pushing HARD towards a certain form of punishment (usually spankings cause hey!  spanking's freakin hot!).  When the desired punishment is not received, the misbehaviour escalates when in RL the behaviour would defintiely have stopped.  

Because of the distance many of us place between ourselves and our avatars, even if we're playing "ourselves" there is a distance.  We can accept a single tail whipping ala Roots, we can accept a slap to the face from a man without blinking.  These tools do not affect us in general.  Simply because of that distancing.  

But yet there is an overwhelming clamoring for "men to be men" and to "put on your big boy pants" as if alluding that if the men do NOT constantly playcate this constant need for punishment and correction that they're children and not "men".  

Yes there are those men in SL who are pussy whipped.  It happens.

But part of me says... What are you doing to encourage men to behave like men?  What are you doing in a positive way to encourage the desired behaviour?  Are you a bondmaid shreiking that "Bonds were not silkies and spoke their minds!"  "Bonds dont kneel!"  "I just happen to be RPing a clumsy slave"  Are you a FW who cant keep her yap shut after being slapped by a man.  If we want the environment that we seem to be expecting here, a consequence full environment, then we need to accept the small consequences when they happen and not make every behaviour modification be a drama bomb.  

[Laja DeCuir]

I realised the reported posts I received and ask all to stay wiht the OP. I do not want to delete all off-topic stuff or lock another thread that some find worth to discuss. Though please respect that and sort personal issues in private.
Thank you!

[Sayrax wiefel]

What do you expect from a male slave?

Myself i pull out of the btb often just so I am not bored, also why I don't rp in the north the rules are rather stiff on behavior for my kind.

[Tertionus]

I have to agree with you.  When it comes to punishments or discipline or correction, it seems as though I've seen certain characters pushing HARD towards a certain form of punishment (usually spankings cause hey!  spanking's freakin hot!).  When the desired punishment is not received, the misbehaviour escalates when in RL the behaviour would defintiely have stopped.  

Because of the distance many of us place between ourselves and our avatars, even if we're playing "ourselves" there is a distance.  We can accept a single tail whipping ala Roots, we can accept a slap to the face from a man without blinking.  These tools do not affect us in general.  Simply because of that distancing.  

But yet there is an overwhelming clamoring for "men to be men" and to "put on your big boy pants" as if alluding that if the men do NOT constantly playcate this constant need for punishment and correction that they're children and not "men".  

Yes there are those men in SL who are pussy whipped.  It happens.

But part of me says... What are you doing to encourage men to behave like men?  What are you doing in a positive way to encourage the desired behaviour?  Are you a bondmaid shreiking that "Bonds were not silkies and spoke their minds!"  "Bonds dont kneel!"  "I just happen to be RPing a clumsy slave"  Are you a FW who cant keep her yap shut after being slapped by a man.  If we want the environment that we seem to be expecting here, a consequence full environment, then we need to accept the small consequences when they happen and not make every behaviour modification be a drama bomb.  

Brilliant post, Thyri. Everyone should commit, in my opinion, to upholding the environment in which they wish to play. Hopefully my most recent RP venture and yours will at some point come into contact.

On the point of what slaves expect of free, which has been lost a little in this thread, partly due to me, the biggest thing I see is, as Thyri said, consistency. Which doesn't even truly relate to consistency in action X equating to action Y, but in, if you play your character as a non-fighting Gorean master, as I do, don't make him a full-blown hot-blooded warrior the next. Equally, don't treat slaves as though they are all the same - as though they are -literally- animals, every day, and don't make the mistake of thinking that a slave player does not have her own story line to follow.

[Shyla Timeless]

To the OP:

Balance.  Observe the standards set forth in the Gor series.  Behave and respect the role you play.

Free Men:  You are men; this is a Gorean role play environment so act like GOREAN men.  In my opinion, this simply means you are the dominant force in any given situation and should understand the Free Man role as it was outlined in the books.  Be creative and sieze the opportunity for exciting, interesting and complex  potential role play with slaves.  Sticking to the purpose of the OP, go beyond serves and sex.  Many do, but many don't and that is their loss.  Not all women playing  slaves are mindless bimbos and there is an element and layer to the Gorean experience that only a slave woman can provide.  Try to grasp that because it IS an important element in the Gor series.

Free Women:  You are women with limits AND freedom.  Use both wisely.  Accept your position in Gorean society and celebrate what makes you different.  Enjoy your ability to speak your mind but watch your tongue.  When you push and push and PUSH the limits with your behavior, dress and decorum then wonder why you are in hot water (?) ask yourself if being Free is something you savor or do you just want attention. 

Regarding the role play from a slaves perspective ...

Engage.  Be interesting.  If you think insulting thought emotes are clever, you are wrong.  They make you look and sound weak.  If you think it is funny to hold up role play just because you can, IC, it is not.  Grow up and remember we are all here for fun.  And for the love of all things good, please, please, please do not treat the slaves like diminutive, silly girls with candy pops hanging out of their mouth.