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[Aphris Myoo]

    Enjoying their bondmaids in the open.

If that would happen actually, public sex. People are so prude and with earthen morals in their sexual RP... Even if only parted by a fur curtain from the feasting rest of the group....

Differs per sim and even per period. Some sims they are extreme prude, and in others they like to shock free women by copulating in public.

Public sex is however no Torvie monopoly. It happened every where on Gor, even at the side of the road (Players of Gor) or in the middle of the streets of Ar (Magicians of Gor after Tuka's dance)

[Finn Ronas]

I find there to be many wrong with all parts of GOR and that the faults with BTB deviation are more indicative of OOC attitude sweeping in to GOR taking RP out of the equation. I realise that people form OOC bonds and relationships in here that is life and it cannt be helped no matter how hard you try. The problem must be tackled at the core as Nigal says and that is encourage book reading and hold yourself to be as by YOUR interpretation of what you read. We will all have different perspectives for example I had an issue with GPSU teaching that all bonds call every Jarl "My Jarl" which they provided some very weighty quote evidence. What they did not take into account was that Forkbeard was not a "typical" Torvie in many ways and that even Bluetooth questioned a slave when she addressed him as such. Suffice to say we all have different things we take from everything we read, we just need to get the pillarstones right and the rest will fall out itself and that is throughout GOR not just in Torvaldsland as this thread suggests. (( My pet hate is feckin blackwine how it is suddenly went from the second most expensive drink on GOR to some kind of GORbucks on every sim))

[Babybear Serenity]

Oh question!  I was told not too long ago that bonds never kneel in tower.  That smacked me as an onlineism since bonds are still slaves (even though some don't act like it..lol).   Is there anything to support the no tower thing?

No, there is no thing to support it. Maybe some messed up because there are no white silks in Torvaldsland.

Awe why did you go and say that? White silk just means virgin it isn't a type of slave. And yeah never once applied to a bondmaid in marauders... BUT, to say there were no virgins?? Pretty sure those gals Being towed from the ship into the feast, freshly banded and collared could have been virgins. That aside.... Tower does NOT equal virgin. Not once not ever! There is no " slave position" for a virgin slave.
 I was suggesting that a bond, non-virgin might serve food in a closed leg position when there was mixed company, and to say bonds don't kneel is as much an onlinism as any other we're discussing here..

[Conall DeCuir]

Oh question!  I was told not too long ago that bonds never kneel in tower.  That smacked me as an onlineism since bonds are still slaves (even though some don't act like it..lol).   Is there anything to support the no tower thing?

No, there is no thing to support it. Maybe some messed up because there are no white silks in Torvaldsland.

Awe why did you go and say that? White silk just means virgin it isn't a type of slave. And yeah never once applied to a bondmaid in marauders... BUT, to say there were no virgins?? Pretty sure those gals Being towed from the ship into the feast, freshly banded and collared could have been virgins. That aside.... Tower does NOT equal virgin. Not once not ever! There is no " slave position" for a virgin slave.
 I was suggesting that a bond, non-virgin might serve food in a closed leg position when there was mixed company, and to say bonds don't kneel is as much an onlinism as any other we're discussing here..

They got their slave wine already at the docks, there was a barrel and each of the new chattel got a cup and well .. once in the hall, the virginity was gone within the first night while chained by their ankle in an alcove or reached from man to man on the table. We wouldnt keep chattel we couldnt use *smiles*

[Adoveea Rau]

Sometimes you just have to show a visual
Welcome to Torvaldsland, aka Ivar's Landfall, Skjern, Jotunheim of the past..I'll find some more pictures for all to see.
Waves to Conall with a grin-don't ask Conall about how I met him, him and his emergency...
You see, what folks don't know is that I spent a full real life year roleplaying up in northern gor-hiding from Treve, and meeting the other half of my inheritance,-my mother was from torvaldsland.
This is me with Ivar, and Solvieg with a plate of bosk balls..Jotunheim's special  northern dish -my idea of how to cook

[Conall DeCuir]

Ooooh the Bosk Balls 

And i wanted to kill you the first day we met at Skjern 

[Adoveea Rau]

Yes you did Conall, and people would of been shocked to hear us go verbally many times after all , yet you didn't once threaten a collar.
After two months of being in the north, everyone forgot I was southern...

Folks when you complain about how others roleplay, you must remember there are many many people who roleplay and do it so very well...

Some memories and a glimpse for people of the Torvaldsland of *old*


Conall in Jotunheim
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The differences of looks, the bond, the uncompanioned free woman and the man. Torvaldsland dress in Ivar's Landfall
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Northern Raiders of Jotunheim
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Free woman at rest, yes this is me, in wool dress
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Dagger and me, the northern man and his companion
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The funeral of one of our men, Dagger and I created the funeral boat.

[Mel Fitzcarraldo]

* Mel Fitzcarraldo stands with mouth agape seeing Dove sans all the head coverings.

[Aphris Myoo]

Once upon a time I role played ice skating under the coast of Jotunheim. I made pictures and saw a man snoring in a cabin. He begged me to come ashore...

http://omen-valley.jouwweb.nl/gor-sims/torvaldsland/jotunheim-landfall

[Adoveea Rau]

People talk about roleplaying with Torvaldsland..well we have humor and interactions then too.

The famous Conall's bad tooth roleplay...enjoy and laugh as hard as we did. Little things make great roleplay, this is one of them. Conall was our Jarl, chieftan of the village. Everyone was great.




Adoveea Rau eyes Conall thoughtfully "ja ...Jarl.....how IS that tooth?"
Dagger Barbosa: but if you're in battle, a longsword is good as an axe
Conall DeCuir: depends
Kathryn Fimicoloud slips inside the warm hall and quickly sheds her clothing. She turns and smiles to the Free
Dagger Barbosa: well, a five minute spar showed they can hold their own
Adoveea Rau notices the Jarl is ignoring her question and raises her voice to a deeper and louder volume "Jarl? Conall? how IS your tooth?"
Amma Pinklady shivers as the door opens again
Kathryn Fimicoloud: Greetings, Jarls and Mistress
Solvarr Jarvinen: Grreetings, girl
Kathryn Fimicoloud looks to see who is here and heads to the kitchen to prepare drinks
Solvarr Jarvinen: Conall
Dagger Barbosa: how is your tooth today Conall?
Adoveea Rau listens
Amma Pinklady has shaking shoulders as she laughs silently
Conall DeCuir: i think i am fine again
Dagger Barbosa: you know, I have a good strong dagger and could pry it out for you
Conall DeCuir winks to Dove *no needles or whatever needed*
Adoveea Rau looks at Conall "ja? well then let me see how it is. hmm?"
Conall DeCuir opens his mouth wide ....and sticks his tongue out*
Amma Pinklady makes a face
Adoveea Rau puts away her needle and embroidery, pulls out her medical kit and walks over to Conall with a dangeorus glint in her eye
Conall DeCuir eyes Dove, closes his lips quickly *it is realy not needed, i am fine !*
Amma Pinklady: must be better Dove, hes not running
Adoveea Rau folds her arms and says in a charming tone "I'm sure it is, now why don't you open your mouth again and stick out your tongue at me anyway...and let me double check. otherwise..if you decide YOU are a healer, then I get to buy a bow and become a Warrior. ja?"
Conall DeCuir grins at her *because if you approach charming in front of me, something will be wrong and i should take care dear Lady*
Adoveea Rau: I have the ability to be charming Jarl, I just don't use it unless I am working with very dangerous animals, now *smiles charmingly * open your mouth ? let me see your tooth
Conall DeCuir rolls his eyes, opens his mouth and points into the backside of his right lower jaw
Kathryn Fimicoloud sets the tray on the table and lifts the largest, most heavily decorated horn and the pitcher of ale. She fills the horn and sets the pitcher back. She kneels before the Jarl and lowers her eyes, lifting the horn to Him, "Cold ale, Jarl. May it numb any lingering pain."
Conall DeCuir: *you see, its all fine*
Adoveea Rau grasps his jaw and prods the tooth looking at it and says "no, it's not"
Conall DeCuir grabs a horn of ale
Adoveea Rau: you need it tended to Jarl, it won't take that long, a simple bit of dentisty, why Dagger and Solvarr can even hold you down, or would you prefer to be unconcious on the table?? and NOT know what I do then?
Amma Pinklady chokes and splutters
Conall DeCuir grabs as well for Doves hand, pulls it away from his jaw *i told you i am fine*
Dagger Barbosa yawns and stretches
Kathryn Fimicoloud smiles up to the Jarl and turns back to the tray, hefting it up again, moving to the other table.
Dagger Barbosa: Conall?
Conall DeCuir growls inside *Dagger ?*
Dagger Barbosa: you know how she is when she sets her mind
Dagger Barbosa chuckles
Conall DeCuir: she will know me too when i set my mind
Dagger Barbosa: just bite her fingers
Dagger Barbosa laughs
Adoveea Rau: You.are.not.fine, your tooth has some darken area, that is called decay, your breath will smell like a boskdung from a bosk that ate too much rich green grass, you will get headaches and unable to fur the bonds, and !! you will not be able to sleep and !! in time you will not even be able to drink your ale cold and your mead hot!
Conall DeCuir swallows down some ale *thats always the best medicine*
Amma Pinklady sighs and looks up "Jarl it might be an idea to get it done, so it will not cause you problems in the future dont you think?"
Conall DeCuir eyes dove *it will not let me fur bonds ?*
Amma Pinklady smirks at Dove
Adoveea Rau: ja, Jarl, you will be paying all your attention to that tooth, instead of the bonds, you will not be able to see them, because your eyes will be shut and mouth will hurt too much to ..well play with them
Amma Pinklady: i will be always sitting downwind of you Jarl if you are having bosk dung breath
Dagger Barbosa: have to eat soup instead of meat
Adoveea Rau: then!! ja ja, you will have to drink soup, no more bosk meat, even might end up eating soft gruel
Conall DeCuir shouts to dagger just getting a better idea instead of Dove *Dagger ? could you not give me a hook to my chin?*
Dagger Barbosa chuckles
Dagger Barbosa: Ja, I could
Dagger Barbosa: but what if I miss and take out the wrong tooth?
Dagger Barbosa: I'd have to do it again
Conall DeCuir empties his horn, gives a warning look at Dove *then do what you have to do Woman*
Adoveea Rau: ya lay down on the table then and open your mouth. Dagger? Solvarr? would you hold him down please???
Conall DeCuir jumps of from his chair, places himself at the table
Conall DeCuir: no wait Dove !!!!! what are you going to do ?
Adoveea Rau: I am going to fix your tooth. Do you want to be awake for it or asleep??
Conall DeCuir eyes her angrily *with you its better to be awake*
Adoveea Rau nods "ja, well then Solvarr and Dagger can hold you down
Conall DeCuir snarls *that i doubt*
Adoveea Rau: ja Jarl, but it gives me a chance to NOT have you hit me right away. Ja!! hold him down now...
Dagger Barbosa grabs Conall's feet and motions for Solvarr
Conall DeCuir eyes both of his Brothers *you better hold me firm down*
Dagger Barbosa: Solvarr to grab his hands
Conall DeCuir thinks *i should just not open my mouth and wait*
Solvarr Jarvinen grabs Conall arm with a strong grip...ussing his whole body to hold him down
Adoveea Rau digs into her kit and places two jars and a rolled up cloth upon the table near her, then unrolls the cloth to expose some very pointed instruments that look like they would come out of a torture chamber, three picks, a scapel and two sets of pliers and a small file
Conall DeCuir: Dove i warn you !
Amma Pinklady takes the warm mead out of kats hands and touches the red hair with her other hand "sometimes bond... "she says softly "you please me" then sipping the mead she turns her attention to the skuffle at the table
Adoveea Rau: ja ja Jarl now, Dagger? Solvarr you have him firm?
Dagger Barbosa: just get it over with love, he'll be better later
Conall DeCuir does a test and tries to get free
Solvarr Jarvinen I have him
Adoveea Rau considers the Jarl thoughtfully watching him test the strength of the men and says "nail him down like an enemy of the village, without mercy"
Solvarr Jarvinen moves a bit with Conall trying to free himself but holds him save
Adoveea Rau: he is NOT going to like this at all
Kathryn Fimicoloud: Would You care for anything else, Mistress?
Conall DeCuir: DOVE !
Amma Pinklady grins "earmuffs?"
Dagger Barbosa: be a man Jarl!
Dagger Barbosa chuckles
Kathryn Fimicoloud chuckles
Conall DeCuir growls at all now
Adoveea Rau: ja Jarl?? *her voice hits a new level of sweetness as she swiftly grabs his jaw, pushing her fingers into the sides and opens his mouth and inserts a round ring keeping his mouth wide open. that's to keep you from biting me Jarl
Solvarr Jarvinen closes his eyes...he wont see this butcher thing...he only is sure to hold him
Kathryn Fimicoloud watches in fascination as the Healer works on the Jarl. She sets down the Mistress's teacup at Her usual place, but out of reach of the Jarl's kicking feet and settles back next to Mistress Amma to watch.
Adoveea Rau hmms lightly under her breath as she picks up the first pick and fans her face as the bad breath hits the nostrils "phew, what a rotten stench Jarl"
Conall DeCuir eyes her, feeling more then unwell but ... the thought of never furring a bond again ...
Amma Pinklady winces and feels her own teeth with her tongue glad its not her
Conall DeCuir mumbles something
Kathryn Fimicoloud: idunn, please prepare some blackwine, first slave, for the Jarl.
Kathryn Fimicoloud nods toward Jarl Solvarr
Amma Pinklady: and bring in some hot salt water for the Jarl to rinse with after one of you
Adoveea Rau finger deftly move into the mouth and scrape rapidly at the tooth, then she picks up a small bit of cloth dips it in solution and wipes the tooth with it and scrapes again "sssscrapppe, scrapp, screech, screech,* the sound echoing through the hall
Kathryn Fimicoloud: Aye, Mistress
Noemi Firanelli: aye, salt water
Amma Pinklady: hot
Conall DeCuir starts swearing at Dove, it could be done for sure more lovely
Solvarr Jarvinen hears this sound....Argh....
Amma Pinklady presses her tongue into her own back teeth
Kathryn Fimicoloud feels shivers up and down her spine at the scraping noises
Adoveea Rau picks up the pick now and moves into the tooth with the pick, rasping away at the decay "brrrr, brrrr scratch scratch, brrrrrrr" as she spins the pick deftly, swabs the tooth again with a fresh bit of the damp cloth
Adoveea Rau: tsk tsk a bleeder, *swabs the blood from the gum away* *scratch brrrr brrrrr brrrr*
Conall DeCuir howls up, trying to get rid of Solvarr, trying to give Dagger a kick
Dagger Barbosa grasps tighter saying, Hurry up Dove, this is a wild larl here"
Solvarr Jarvinen holds him down carefully....and is so glad that he isnt Conall in this moment
Adoveea Rau: now now Jarl, you WANTED to be awake for this..oops *accidently poking the swollen tender gum* ja ja almost done!! hold him DOWN
Conall DeCuir GROWLS
Conall DeCuir gets the worsest imaginations about what he could do with Dove
Adoveea Rau: Make my hand shake again Jarl!!! *says with a hard snap in her voice* and I'll miss again!!
Noemi Firanelli brings tray with balckwine and muds but she looks jarl Conall at table and she decides put it far away from his kicking legs
Conall DeCuir dashes his head onto the table, better to keep quiet now then it will be done more fast ... revenge will be mine
Adoveea Rau turns away dropping the soiled cloth to the floor and picks up a clean one, and a small jar of white and opens it checking the contents carefully and they hear her mummer "hope this is still potent enough to set in a short time.." eyes the Jarl and sighs "well one way to find out..."
Solvarr Jarvinen tries to free one of this hand to hold Conalls head down...but it doesnt work...he needs both hands for his one arm
Conall DeCuir wonders why she mentions potent
Noemi Firanelli puts tray on tabe with shivering hands and back to kitchen for salt hot water
Adoveea Rau carefully lays a cloth over Conall's tongue and says "dont' yell, or shout or even move, I need to put this on your tooth and ONLY your tooth, unless you want hard tongue or lips"
Conall DeCuir grunts as a sign of understanding
Adoveea Rau dips the tiny spaula into the jar and with surgical precision paints the tooth with what looks like white paint and steps back counting
Amma Pinklady moves behind the table and gently but firmly holds his head back occasionally running her fingers through his hair
Adoveea Rau: ja ja thank you Amma, keep his head steady, one more applicaiton
Noemi Firanelli holds hot mud with water and waiting .. her eyes opened wide and feels sorry about Jarl Conall
Amma Pinklady makes small shushing noises "will be over soon Jarl"
Conall DeCuir glares at the black haired woman
Adoveea Rau again repeats eh proceedure then counts again under her breath "one stupid Ja..two stupid Ja...three really dumb Ja...four bellowing nasty Ja.....five foul mouthed Ja...
Amma Pinklady looks back at him and then grins at Doves counting
Adoveea Rau: one really mean Ja...two testy Ja....three dont move Ja...
Kathryn Fimicoloud chuckles under her breath
Conall DeCuir promise to grab the first slut he sees
Solvarr Jarvinen watches, Lady Dove...how could one be so ....cold....
Adoveea Rau fingers reach in and pulls the cloth off his tongue and she peers hard at the tooth..."done and..." a note of very pleased surprise comes into her voice "that stuff really worked"
Kathryn Fimicoloud winks at idunn
Conall DeCuir: Aaaaarrrrgh
Amma Pinklady: on the count of 3 let go and run i say
Adoveea Rau pops the ring out of his mouth swiftly and grabs her jars moving back fast
Amma Pinklady moves back with Dove
Conall DeCuir growls a loud *DAMMIT DOVE !*
Noemi Firanelli rolleyes at kat and almost whap mug with water
Adoveea Rau: Ja Jarl? Odin did damn it away, see he let me do dentistry on you...haven't done any since I first read about it in a scroll
Adoveea Rau dimples happily
Solvarr Jarvinen makes sure that he doesnt miss the right time to get his hands of the Jarl
Kathryn Fimicoloud bursts out laughing
Adoveea Rau: and it worked too, just like the scroll said it would
Conall DeCuir eyes his Brothers *let me free that i can grab her*
Adoveea Rau: now now Jarl, I did heal you!! feel any more pain from that tooth??
Adoveea Rau thinks about how much numbing solution she swabbed on it, enough to knock out any feeling in a herd of bosk
Solvarr Jarvinen smiles at the Lady, then down to Conall...maybe I hold you just a moment..to cool down a bit...you shouldn t move to fast after this torture, Jarl
Conall DeCuir moves his jaw, it seems realy to be better
Adoveea Rau beams at Solvarr
Noemi Firanelli looks at mug of water and has not idea what to do now
Kathryn Fimicoloud: idunn, hand it tothe Jarl so He may rinse out His mouth
Conall DeCuir takes a deep breath, it realy seems to be better ... cooling slowly down again he starts a grinning
Adoveea Rau leans to Amma "maybe I should of given him a shot to put him out and let him wake up naked covered in bonds instead"
Noemi Firanelli aproach closer with fear to Jarl Conal and hands him mug with water
Amma Pinklady: he would have been a happy Jarl then for sure
Conall DeCuir: *are we done now ?*
Adoveea Rau: hmmm, well *I* am done with you for this night
Adoveea Rau exaims her fingers and counts them
Solvarr Jarvinen takes alook into Conalls face...Aye, you re alright now, Brother...reaches him his hand to help him up
Adoveea Rau: Ja I still have four on each hand and two thumbs
Amma Pinklady laughs
Noemi Firanelli: Jarl, maybe it can help yo , please,*she whispers with trembling voice
Conall DeCuir rises up from the table, touching his cheek, touching his tooth with his tongue ... he makes a face and spits something out
Amma Pinklady: nice
Lilith Lindley watches the scene
Adoveea Rau watches warily, muttering about not being easy being a healer in the north, normally you knock your patients out with a hammer THEN work on them
Solvarr Jarvinen sits back daown ...streching his arms...was not easy to hold him...
Conall DeCuir eyes all sluts and will decide later which of the bonds he will use later *i wish an ale, cold and big*
Kathryn Fimicoloud: Aye, Jarl.
Solvarr Jarvinen smiles to Kat...Well, time form my black wine, lil one, I really earned it now
Noemi Firanelli puts mug on table and smiles at Kat ... i prepared all Kat..
Adoveea Rau sighs with great relief seeing him going back to his chair and grins wide at Amma
Amma Pinklady makes a face at Dove and grins back
Amma Pinklady whispers to Dove "they should try giving birth"
Conall DeCuir grumbles, it may have helped at the end but it was done very rude
Noemi Firanelli puts some sugar into mug and takes fills mug with fresh hot aroma fluid
Adoveea Rau whispers back "they can't do that, it hurts too much for them to even think about it"
Amma Pinklady throws her head back and laughs loud
Kathryn Fimicoloud takes the large horn from the table and swiftly fills it. lifting it high to the Jarl. 'Your ale, Jarl, may it be soothing and pleasing.
Noemi Firanelli moves closer to Jarl Solvar and rises her hands "your blackwine Jarl, hot and sweet like your bond" she smiles
Adoveea Rau: phhtt Conall you want me to hold your hand and murrmer Oh sweet baby, I'm going to do a tiny widdle itty bitt goo goo take your tooth and fix it at you??
Adoveea Rau: bah
Conall DeCuir grabs it out of her hands, swallows as much down as possible at once when he glares over to Dove
Amma Pinklady figures its safe to sit now and heads for the bench
Solvarr Jarvinen smiles at Idunn next to him...and grabs the mug with the blachk wine..Thanks , lil one...
Adoveea Rau passes over the bowl of olives to Amma with a grin "these are great"

[Conall DeCuir]

You love me Dove, admit it 

[Adoveea Rau]

Sniffs distainfully "you're still scruffy, Conall,when's the last time you jumped into a river?"
eyes Mel with a gaping mouth and snips out "you looking to have your teeth checked?"

[Nigaltwaddlesworthiii]

Dove! Those pics are fantastic! .. thanks for sharing them..and the role play.

For clarification on my previous post... cause as I said I'm home with a miserable freakin flu right now.. when I said that there were several players here who play Torvi..and maybe seeing how they respond to a question that was placed, as far as I could tell, in the NOW.. I didn't mean that others don't have experience with it.. I was responding to what I thought was a NOW situation..

Also..when I preach about reading the books.. I am not saying that others here haven't read them.. I am saying when you see bad role play.. ..which to me points to NOT KNOWING YOUR ROLE.. . Isn't it better to advise reading the source rather than some botched up note cards that can't possibly match in so far as real information?..

AND.. I also never said slaves don't kneel as much in the north.. I said they don't.. or shouldnt be.. kneeling as much outside when the freakin ground is frozen unless its for Punishment's sake.. I also said that slaves in SL GOR kneel WAYYYY to much when compared to the books.. any of them..

[Loredana Varonia]

thank you, Finn R., for this ... "I realise that people form OOC bonds and relationships in here ".

it is not the topic of this thread but i am trying all the time to explain goreans the difference between bond and bond-maid!!! but being kajira, some think i am slave in rl, too, and the just do not believe me!!!