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[Blade Snowdrop]

I am SIMPLY SAYING. he broke caste codes....if he was foolish enough to out himself infront of a killer i would expect the killing of him to shortly follow.

[Raven]

I am against people playing major characters from the books.  Pa-Kur, Tarl, Marlenus et al.  To me it is more important that someone writes their own story as opposed to ripping one off from Norman's books.  That and the canonical characters should be for everyone to fill out their own character's story not just for one person to use as they see fit. 

What this fellow is doing is the equivalent of someone making a Darth Vader avatar on a Star Wars sim.  You can just feel the eyes rolling at the idea of this.  Why should any one person have the right to play such a character?  The only exception I would make is if John Norman himself wanted to log in to Second Life and make a Tarl, Marlenus etc. 

Besides, anyone who would play Pa-Kur as a character would be under an impossibly high standard to meet given that he was the best swordsman on the planet and the most notorious Assassin in the Black Caste.  That and he broke caste codes and brought ruin and shame down on the caste for years.  I am not sure if this person understands what he is getting himself into, or even if he is up to some sort of fuckery or not.  So in terms of killing the man outright if he is encountered and claims to be Pa-Kur himself it seems a perfectly plausible and IC thing to do. 

[Blade Snowdrop]

And id expect any BC to do so if he claimed such a thing IC in front of one of us.

[Vincent Cassady]

He did something I distaste.  Same reason I killed Surbus Demontrond, same reason I killed Merc Battery, same reason I was going after Byron, same reason I was confronting Xaz on occasions.  I deal with everything I don't like in role play.  If I don't like what I'm seeing from another Assassin then I build my case and eliminate them.  I happen to know PaKur was around and tried to elevate our caste to a High Caste and be more then what we truly are.  That's something in my eyes that I dislike and in Vincent's opinion is bad for business.  Vincent is a simple man who likes to kill for his coin.  PaKur made it hard to do anyway work by making us the most hated and well just like other assassins I would be there to slice his head off and hang it on my mantle with Surbus' and Merc's (Yes a prim mantle does exist.  ) and you're right, unless I hear of him or see him I wouldn't directly know he's there and I would not all of a sudden go OH I NEED TO HUNT HIM!  Because no one really knows where he is.

It's role play, I don't know what he looks like and I don't know where he is.  I wont deal whether or not HE CAN OR CAN'T play PaKur in Second Life because It's not my choice, it's the choice of the role player.  Anyone who says he cannot needs to deal with it in role play because I will be COMPLETELY against ANYONE who handles it in any other way BUT role play. 

EDIT: (For Chimes)

I suppose if he admits that I'm the superior assassin and begs for my forgiveness I will defend him as if he was one of my own.  So, I do suppose there is a situation where he wouldn't be killed.  I'm all for reinventive role plays, but he better get allies fast because it will be an uphill climb all the way.  Who knows, SkyKnight, my mentor was a HUGE PaKur supporter and in his movement, he even claimed in his background story he was one of the assassins working with PaKur in the background.  So who knows, maybe I'd be in so much debt to my mentor that I would want to help him.  I guess talking with him before I chopped his head off could change my mind.  Anything could happen in role play.  However, I usually enjoy my superiority complex and killing other assassins do give me the oddest of boners. 

EDIT: EDIT:

Also, another fact for all my well known assassins.  EVEN THOUGH, this is Second Life.... in the books he was the greatest of all swordsman so realistically, would you put yourself in a situation of combating him by yourself?  With that risk of him killing you with stronger blow?  I mean Assassins are supposed to be well calculated and only confront when knowing their blows will be true?  So with knowing he was the best fighter how would you even go confronting him?  I'm pretty sure an Assassin would be seem to be to brutish like a warrior to go against him alone.  Besides I feel the numbers of multiple assassins trying to "bring him to justice" other then grudge killing him would be more realistic then a 1v1.

[Blade Snowdrop]

I for once agree with Vincent lol and also want to note it sounds terrible im sure. But if any bc meets him....he admits hes pakur...and/or shows proof hes pakur and doesnt kill him.....tsk tsk

[Raven]

Interesting that the fellow himself has so far refrained from commenting. 

[Chimes Acker]

I have editted this first part because I'm still thinking.... laughs

I think it's very important to give a reason for ones threats to just want to kill somone. Granted, no one has to explain, but I think it's important do delve deeper into why one would. It let's us think, it takes us right back to the books in what we have read and it's quite facinating to get to understand each one of you a bit further which could heighten RP with next you are seen. It gives those of us that are not you (meaning the one behind any character RP) a better understanding how we may want to interact more with you or not.

So, you see, I can't see a negative, and the threads have also been quite pleasant so far and not overheated about out of the blue things. It's nice to actually see adults being adult about it.

Forget the popcorn on all this, I'm handing out Beer and Nuts.....

And Oooo I don't find it interesting he hasn't outright come out and posted like we are. I think he pretty much has said a lot just by posting his RP. It wil all unfold I'm sure. Pakur is also part of my storyline from time back as I to was born in Ar and was just of age when Pakur was in the city at the time just before and during the seige, my own storyline has been consistant for years now regarding this. It's not anything new or added to. But, I just play a slave, no ones got much interest in a slaves background and experiences.

Keeps handing out the Beer and Nuts......


Would love to know more about Taog Ra's background on all this...

[Melchior Wardell]

He did something I distaste.  Same reason I killed Surbus Demontrond, same reason I killed Merc Battery, same reason I was going after Byron, same reason I was confronting Xaz on occasions.  I deal with everything I don't like in role play. 

I have heard you say this very often and I am not someone that will tell you, you can't but your cases weren't always build on IC. Most of it was based on hearsay, which I believe is just not how I envision Black Caste work.

I have seen you enter the Black Lodge with a mate of yours and thought "Who the hell does Vincent think he is ?" To judge you are the one that puts himself in the spot of the one that feels and thinks he can, while in fact most of the roleplay towards the Black Lodge was because others complained OOCly. You didn't present any facts at the time and I really felt that you put yourself in a very awkward spot since you followed some rumours.

The entire hunt on other Assassins is in my book something that no Assassin would busy himself with. He wasn't in the caste to police it, but to earn himself gold by offering his services to the community of Gor. If a killer would come across another that was in his view a laugh of the caste he wouldn't even get into a conversation but simply pull out his sword and have it dealth with.

The need to police the caste is build on OOC motivations, since the training of the Caste of Assassins would already be enough of a pain to pass if you weren't up for it. Killers that broke their codes were killed on the spot if others learned or perhaps hunted in the city they were in by the order of the Master Assassin. Why would killers that are so  greedy for gold, travel and make all kind of expenses to have another killer dead ? I mean ... we wouldn't earn a dime for it.

[Daved Calderwood]

Interesting that the fellow himself has so far refrained from commenting. 

He also hasn't said much in his roleplay other than "Lyon", "Lyon heal", "water", "must find Lyon, slave, must heal", "LYON has what to heal me with", and "eff Vincent". Pretty good roleplay considering the situation he is in . I know I am terrible when it comes to roleplay where I am injured because I get too impatient, something I have to work on. If he is as good in his roleplay now for when he gets better it is a sure bet that he knows he is "persona non grata"  amongst the caste so I am betting he is not just going to announce to the world who he is, not just yet anyway. 

[snowtora]

eheh i spose but i mean if he does RP pa kur it self were Tarl on all this matter just my opion steps back behind sleen pitt

[Vincent Cassady]

He did something I distaste.  Same reason I killed Surbus Demontrond, same reason I killed Merc Battery, same reason I was going after Byron, same reason I was confronting Xaz on occasions.  I deal with everything I don't like in role play. 

I have heard you say this very often and I am not someone that will tell you, you can't but your cases weren't always build on IC. Most of it was based on hearsay, which I believe is just not how I envision Black Caste work.

I have seen you enter the Black Lodge with a mate of yours and thought "Who the hell does Vincent think he is ?" To judge you are the one that puts himself in the spot of the one that feels and thinks he can, while in fact most of the roleplay towards the Black Lodge was because others complained OOCly. You didn't present any facts at the time and I really felt that you put yourself in a very awkward spot since you followed some rumours.

The entire hunt on other Assassins is in my book something that no Assassin would busy himself with. He wasn't in the caste to police it, but to earn himself gold by offering his services to the community of Gor. If a killer would come across another that was in his view a laugh of the caste he wouldn't even get into a conversation but simply pull out his sword and have it dealth with.

The need to police the caste is build on OOC motivations, since the training of the Caste of Assassins would already be enough of a pain to pass if you weren't up for it. Killers that broke their codes were killed on the spot if others learned or perhaps hunted in the city they were in by the order of the Master Assassin. Why would killers that are so  greedy for gold, travel and make all kind of expenses to have another killer dead ? I mean ... we wouldn't earn a dime for it.

NONE of my actions were done because of OOC intent.  Everything I had done ICly had been driven through IC role play.  OOCly may of caused me to go to Black Lodge and find some reason to kill him but ICly I had found nothing AND is why I did not kill him.  I was searching for a reason to kill him.  Which is why I was developing a reason before I went to kill him.  You can say it was an OOC reason that made me focus strictly on that target.  That's undoubtable.  HOWEVER, to say I ever did anything more rash then to focus on another player in Second Life is completely false. 

Also, your reasoning for believing that another assassin would not hunt another assassin is fairly accurate.  However, then there leaves reasoning as to why PaKur did the things he did as that is not something that a typical assassin would do on a daily basis.  So now it seems we're back to developing different ways of perceiving and behaving with our characters ICly that are based around the books.  Though you know OOCly could also be claimed on almost all of us as OOC pushes us to a lot of sims in search for role play.  So now really, what exactly did I do wrong in Black Lodge?   

EDIT:

Sorry to derail the post.  However, it's more then just policing the caste that makes me look to kill people.  I've always got a hard on for killing other Assassins.  PaKur being the fact he would be the greatest challenge is just another person to look at to find something wrong with killing.  Just like I've ALWAYS tried to find a reason to kill Xaz, but it just so happens he leaves none of that around since he's a good guy and does everything legitimately. 

[Raven]

I'm not a fan of caste business being aired in public forums for all to read.  It just reflects poorly on everyone.  Not to mention this thread is being derailed by the Black Lodge fuckery and it really doesn't belong here.  I ask that you please take it to PM's and let the thread get back on track.  Thanks. 

[Vincent Cassady]

It's just role play, anyone who takes it more serious then that and looks down on Black Caste role players needs to have a reality check.  Besides, if you were PaKur you would LOVE for everyone to know our business.  (conveniently puts us back on the topic at hand)

[Meri Slade]

The only exception I would make is if John Norman himself wanted to log in to Second Life and make a Tarl, Marlenus etc. 

Maybe it is JN! 

[Melchior Wardell]

It's just role play, anyone who takes it more serious then that and looks down on Black Caste role players needs to have a reality check.  Besides, if you were PaKur you would LOVE for everyone to know our business.  (conveniently puts us back on the topic at hand)

Amen !

I see just the roleplay oppertunity and experience and don't feel I have anything to hide when it comes to how I see things .. they are just my views.

And Vincent ... thank you for taking my post for what it was .... there is no ill intent there   But I will not discuss it further. Wouldn't want to make this topic more than it was intended for.