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[Raven]

Ah, so you have chosen to speak.  So let me see if I understand this correctly.  You chose to not only play an Assassin (an untrained one at that) but THE Assassin, the most notorious member of the Black Caste in the series of books, the Master Assassin of Gor, and because a few of us were skeptical and weren't willing to just accept you outright as this character, you whine, get pissy, and effectively take your ball and go home?  Guess we know what you are made of now so no need to prove anything to us at this point.  

As for those apologizing, you can leave me out of it.  I thought this was a really bad idea from the get go and I will not apologize for being honest and making my feelings on it known.  

For someone that says that he will deal with things in RP you seem to be rather judgmental oocly in this post. Now I understand that you might have considerations. I doubt anyone will fault you for that. However in one sentence you say "I roleplay everything" and the next you are chopping his head already off. That sounds rather dual to me.

Don't you have a salon to run?   

[Melchior Wardell]

For someone that says that he will deal with things in RP you seem to be rather judgmental oocly in this post. Now I understand that you might have considerations. I doubt anyone will fault you for that. However in one sentence you say "I roleplay everything" and the next you are chopping his head already off. That sounds rather dual to me.

Don't you have a salon to run?   

That too ... but it doesn't quite answer my statement does it ? 

[Kaitlin Eiren]

I think the policing of other Assassins is entirely possible given that other castes policed themselves and there are examples of it in the books, such as the Caste of Thieves killing off non members who encroach on their territory.  It amazes me how people who don't even RP as Assassins come off as such know it alls on what we can and can't do.  Not to mention that there were so many OOC issues back in the day which forced sim owners and the Caste itself to clean up its act with training camps, laws etc. so sorry but policing of the BC is here to stay.  

As far as Pa-Kur is concerned, Raven has encountered him before.  He also has some artifacts which purportedly belonged to the man.  If he were to run into him, Raven would make sure to ask the right questions of this person claiming to be Pa-Kur.  If he deemed him a fake he would likely think him a madman and bad for business, then handle what would come next in RP.  

What are we policing?

That is what I do not get?

This is why one chooses the Camp (or to go alone) that they choose, cause they will follow the MA of their choice, cause in the end BC are still Free Men, with all of the rights of one. Heck, even if half of the caste might not believe this, even trainees are FM, with all the rights that go with it.

And I have no problem with people talking about my caste, it's OOC, heck, if we thought about it that way then none of us should talk about JN's theories, since they are his. All this onlineism is turning what should be good RP fun into power struggles. Not good for the caste, for RP or for Gor.

Dru

I'd have to agree with this last statement completely.  I've always felt the black caste tended to be better read and and also more mature players not mired in OOC issues but this post seems to highlight that isn't the case

@OP
I would hope you continue to post the reminder of the story...maybe in another thread.  I do apologize for my derailing of the topic to more of an OOC reaction to what I was seeing regarding KOS and other nonsense.

[Koh Gausman]

Roleplay by definition: to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another), especially in a make-believe situation in an effort to understand a differing point of view or social interaction.

I have asked that this thread be locked.

It is an utter shame that the start of this thread began completely "In Character", yet was de-railed into "Out of Character" nonsense on many fronts. I am as a role player disappointed and now know better what to do next time, though there will not be a next time, I have asked that my account be removed from this forum entirely.

I had hoped to post the remainder of the roleplay that was started, which spanned over many multiple days, involving several others in the roleplay, and looking forward to seeing more of what occurred as time went on, which will not occur now. Thank you to all who have participated so far in assisting the beginning of this roleplay and its continuance, you know who you are.

The "Death Sentence" is clearly stated by several, guess we shall all see eventually how that works out for each of us.

Ah, so you have chosen to speak.  So let me see if I understand this correctly.  You chose to not only play an Assassin (an untrained one at that) but THE Assassin, the most notorious member of the Black Caste in the series of books, the Master Assassin of Gor, and because a few of us were skeptical and weren't willing to just accept you outright as this character, you whine, get pissy, and effectively take your ball and go home?  Guess we know what you are made of now so no need to prove anything to us at this point.  

As for those apologizing, you can leave me out of it.  I thought this was a really bad idea from the get go and I will not apologize for being honest and making my feelings on it known.  "Pa-Kur" might have been a decent roleplayer but in my opinion choosing to play a main character from the books is a really poor idea.  My advice is to create your own character and stories and not rip one off from the books. 

When last I looked, Koh defines his own roleplay. Not Raven. You have no more bearing of Pakur's roleplay than I do. The fact that your belief against a cannon character being played by someone you may or may not know bothered you so much, that you litterally had to hammer threats, is by far a poor course of action on your part. you are entitled to your opinion. you are not entitled to threaten, harass or otherwise attack a character (cannon or not) simply because you think it is the right thing to do so. I will make this clear to you and all that are participating in this thread. Should Pakur find himself in my camp, he would be welcomed, respected as a killer and thus have my protection unless he proved otherwise that he does not deserve it.

It really irritates me to see this kind of behavior driving off a good roleplayer all because he chose to play a cannon character. It means squat who he is. You obviously have not followed him, will not follow him and so who he is should NOT matter to you.

Pakur, my door is open to you anytime you seek to rejoin your castemates.

[Arisa Thor]

I can remember a time when the BC were a real group with pretty much the same ideas, needs, and a desire to see RP with the Caste moving along smoothly. You all have to jump through so many hopps to even be allowed to hunt and make your kills, to the point of very nearly ridiculous. You all know what that's like.

Now it would seem a rift has grown to equal the size of the gaping holes within the Grand Canyon, and they grow steadily each day. And here we have someone wanting to bring RP into our lives again, however controversal it may be to some, and he is shot down in mid story line. Why? Is it so impossible to grasp the potential of many getting involved in a story line? Are you so covered up in fun, frolic, and happiness that you wish to dispell all the possibilities here? Or is it you enjoy the gossip, the drama that continues to haunt us all each day, and the feelings of being an outcast?

I remember a time when things were so different. Now it would seem we are just like everyone else. Miserable. It makes me very sad.   

[Daved Calderwood]

I can remember a time when the BC were a real group with pretty much the same ideas, needs, and a desire to see RP with the Caste moving along smoothly. You all have to jump through so many hopps to even be allowed to hunt and make your kills, to the point of very nearly ridiculous. You all know what that's like.

Now it would seem a rift has grown to equal the size of the gaping holes within the Grand Canyon, and they grow steadily each day. And here we have someone wanting to bring RP into our lives again, however controversal it may be to some, and he is shot down in mid story line. Why? Is it so impossible to grasp the potential of many getting involved in a story line? Are you so covered up in fun, frolic, and happiness that you wish to dispell all the possibilities here? Or is it you enjoy the gossip, the drama that continues to haunt us all each day, and the feelings of being an outcast?

I remember a time when things were so different. Now it would seem we are just like everyone else. Miserable. It makes me very sad.   

Don't be sad Arisa and do not worry either. I have sent my agent , Donny Chu to straighten the Black Caste out, he is a kid that gets things done...



Go get em Donny ChUUuUuuuuuuuuuuuUUUu!

[Arisa Thor]

*Laughs* Thank you Master. Someone has to get a handle on things, and maybe they will get back to what they used to be. Fun.

[Chimes Acker]

I say, Master Pakur? Post... I'm sure everyone may get a few surprises & twist along the way... He's gotta be living somewhere... You are so right Arisa.

[Raven]

I don't recall saying that I was going to direct anyone's RP save my own.  If you don't like what I have to say that's up to you.  I made it very clear that if I encountered this person in RP I would check them out and if I thought they weren't up to snuff I would deal with them.  Considering who they attempted to portray I think that's a fair and honest approach to take.  Pa-Kur made life Hell for the Caste and I personally consider what he did as a major black eye for us.  So perhaps I might want to kill the man responsible for getting my caste outlawed and for forcing many of my caste brothers into hiding.  Perhaps I might just talk to him and hear him out.  I can't say for certain, but one thing I do know is this.  Everyone who posts here is entitled to an opinion.  Mine happens not to line up with the majority.  So what?

@ Koh & Dru:  I never spoke for anyone but myself.  I don't know where you got the idea that I was speaking for you or anyone else because I wasn't. 

[Raven]

so sorry but policing of the BC is here to stay.  

Trouble is.. self appointed police are usually the worst offenders and I know of no sim owner who actually acknowledges these "self appointed police"..

Some people seem to think they can say what they like, or do what they want... gorean role play and castes  exist because of the financial input and effort of sim owners to give you a place to "play in".. remember this...

Dont care what badge or title people give themselves, they are are nothing other than a cartoon without the sim owners.. and they have final say and will police or appoint others based on their rules, their points of view and their opinions.

Sim owners ARE the ones who want the policing in place.  If they didn't then there would be no need for Black Caste laws, Assassins to actively enforce these laws, or to protect their home sims from fakes and griefers.  Go read the BC rules for a majority of BTB sims out there and you'll see some sort of provision in place which says an Assassin can't hunt there without proof that he is legitimate and that his hunt isn't even valid unless he follows a very strict set of criteria.  That's policing 101.

[Vincent Cassady]

Still if I police anything it is that when you make choices IC you must be / can be accountable IC also in whatever direction it might lead.

^ Yeah that..... that's what I am talking about.

I can remember a time when the BC were a real group with pretty much the same ideas, needs, and a desire to see RP with the Caste moving along smoothly. You all have to jump through so many hopps to even be allowed to hunt and make your kills, to the point of very nearly ridiculous. You all know what that's like.

Now it would seem a rift has grown to equal the size of the gaping holes within the Grand Canyon, and they grow steadily each day. And here we have someone wanting to bring RP into our lives again, however controversal it may be to some, and he is shot down in mid story line. Why? Is it so impossible to grasp the potential of many getting involved in a story line? Are you so covered up in fun, frolic, and happiness that you wish to dispell all the possibilities here? Or is it you enjoy the gossip, the drama that continues to haunt us all each day, and the feelings of being an outcast?

I remember a time when things were so different. Now it would seem we are just like everyone else. Miserable. It makes me very sad.  

Lol, that time was long long ago, probably about the time that I should of left Second Life Gor way back when but I decided to stay around and haunt people hoping my teacher would come back and role play with me.   

Also, I don't think whether or not back then or now a person playing PaKur would be seen as acceptable in the eyes of everyone.  You consistently have people who are so naive that they are picking a side before the truth is delivered to them.  At the moment he seems as if he's a good role player.  So then that means in IC role play he should be able to persuade people to go with his story line.  However, if he's not a good role player and ends up causing a lot of trouble, I wasn't one of the people who blindly said "OH NO, I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE RANDALL, I ACCEPT HIM OPEN ARMS, IN FACT, HE CAN COME TO MY HOUSE AND FUCK MY SISTER!"  I'd rather play it safe and not side with anyone until given a reason to do so or NOT to do so.  But then again PaKur's storyline doesn't sit well with Vincent prior to his Second Life arrival, but I guess we'll see how he interacts with people in Second Life.

@MyBuddyOhPalParkour

You came into Second Life Gor trying to play one of the most controversial main characters in Gor and not to mention in the most drama filled castes of Second Life Gor.  To give up because of a little bit of friction on your landing in your forums is going to show that you wouldn't make it as a Second Life Assassin let alone the role you're going for.  Doesn't matter me, doesn't matter anyone else, YOU need to do what YOU want.  Follow the same idea I go by.  If someone wants to deal with how I run things they better come confront me ICly because OOCly they wont stand a chance.  I'm not saying one way or another for you.  You certainly know you have a uphill battle to go through trying to play that character and you shouldn't expect a smooth ride ICly or OOCly. 

@Everyone Else Who is SOOOO PRO NEW INNOVATIVE ROLE PLAY

I hope he tries to take over Ar, tries to become Ubar, tries to make the Black Caste a high caste and tries to rule the Black Caste.  JUST so I can say "OH I REMEMBER A TIME WHEN PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE RECEPTIVE TO ROLE PLAY AND NOT IN A HURRY TO SQUASH IDEAS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IMAGINATION."  You're all so coddled in your bubble of "BTB" and "GE" separations that no one knows what new role play is anymore.

[Raven]

At the moment he seems as if he's a good role player.  So then that means in IC role play he should be able to persuade people to go with his story line.  However, if he's not a good role player and ends up causing a lot of trouble, I wasn't one of the people who blindly said "OH NO, I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE RANDALL, I ACCEPT HIM OPEN ARMS, IN FACT, HE CAN COME TO MY HOUSE AND FUCK MY SISTER!" 

Yeah, but is she hot? 

@MyBuddyOhPalParkour

You came into Second Life Gor trying to play one of the most controversial main characters in Gor and not to mention in the most drama filled castes of Second Life Gor.  To give up because of a little bit of friction on your landing in your forums is going to show that you wouldn't make it as a Second Life Assassin let alone the role you're going for. 

I can't argue with that even one little bit. 

[Laja DeCuir]

ADMIN Remark

Thread closed by request of the OP

[Xaz Elephas]

Mod Remark: Locked by Request of the OP

It is a shame a person can not post a storyline without it coming to this. Yes I know when a post is made on public forums anyone can post there thoughts and views but this really got out of hand.