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[Carter Ebbage]

I would have IMed her asking how she knew my name. If she made a mitake by tag reading, I would explain that is called medigaming and had a chuckle about how when I was new the mistakes I would make too..  then I would tell her lets rewind back to the greetings again.

 

Now you see this is why Xaz is a respected person in SL GOR...

the rest of you take note and learn and take your quotes, attitudes and RP standards committees based on reading all the books and start using some common bloody sense.

[Raven]

since i had a encounter with a slave saying my name icly and she got butt hurt i  burned her tounge... i just wanted to vetna  bit

you would think that since our sim as to groups of peple that wear black.. me being one of them then why would people openly say there name?
i know my caste really dont like our names said out in the open even more so by a slave... though some BC do i personally dont same with CoT. i know me and the CoT on the sim have had numbers of talks about it as it was like a big no no thing to do.. so why would people get all butt hurt that when they speak it even when they dont icly know your name and youtake action about it? does that make sense to anyone?

If she didn't know your name IC then she was metagaming.  A polite im should have been the end of it...lol.  Not sure why you punished her IC for a metagame slip. 

That sounds like an OOC solution to an IC action.  To each their own, but I personally would try to keep it IC whenever possible. 

I don't know that I would have handled it in the same way Miguel did had I been in that situation but I would have tried to keep it IC first and perhaps sent the person an IM after the scene was over to explain what they did wrong from my perspective. 

Example:  If someone I had never met walked up to me and said "Tal, Raven", OOCly I would assume they are tag reading.  ICly I would first try to RP it out before resorting to an IM.  I might, for example, question them as to how they got that information.  Or if they are really overt about it I might do something drastic as I would consider them a security risk. 

Also, as far as I'm concerned, there is a difference with using an Assassin's name vs. people from other Castes.  This is due mostly to the unusual lengths we go to protect our identities.  I think generally people in Gor do this to a degree, but Assassins just take it to another level. 

I wouldn't go up to a man on the street and use his name unless he gave it to me first, even if I already knew it.  A slave doing it to a free just seems kind of offensive to me.  Even more so, most people would not just go up to a hired killer and blurt out his name as the man would likely be helmed/masked and probably not there for a social visit anyways. 

[Criada Resident]

ummm so can someone tell me what is so special about a BC name? I can remember Kuruus giving his namje freely, but it was Tarl in disguise, I can't recall Pa Kur or others hiding their identity. But it is long ago I read the books, so is it in there or just made up?

just curious

and to the topic, what Meredith and Xas said, if no one knew you in the city, that was lousy roleplay in respond of a metagaming slip

[Xaz Elephas]

In the books Gorean's addressed Assassins as Killer a lot. Most would not give out there names.  Also goreans  in general would rarely speak there true name when asked what it was, they all often had made up names they mostly used. I always thought that was interesting tidbit, I think this was mostly lower caste... damn now I am going to have to look up the passage so I remember why.

[Criada Resident]

Yes, Xas, that I recall as well, lower Caste did not give out their names, they were very superstitious. But as Assassins play it, it is complete contrare to this. Goreans did not give out their names easily, but they were proud and not hiding. I see the reason why Assassins take  usenames and masquerade, but what I read in the forums or had experienced in the past is that they sneak in the shadows and hide to be all scary and cool, while I always think. I want one day see a proud Pa Kur. Only once :-)

I had the same problem with the Thieves Caste I was in for many years, most play them just like Assassins are played. I played it different, I was in Port Kar, we had our own Caste. I had no reason to sneak through shadows or climb in roofs. What I done and stole was in public, in crowds, and the rest of my time I spent to work politicaly.

Again: I see no fault in taking a usename or hide, but then calling your name is metagaming anyways and I would deal with it OOC. When an Assassin masquerades and forgets to lock his own slave away, then it is him who need to slit his own throat 

[Junea Demonia]

I still believe burning a tongue is a very extreme thing to do. As a player - I would have most likely ignored that was done to my character - as soon as the scene was over. I believe every time we do something to another character of such a permanent and life altering kind - there has to be a very good reason for it.

Without seeing the logs and actually reading how it came about that she used his name - no way of knowing the extreme reaction was justified.

If he is a BC and does not want his name known - how does the slave even know his name?

If it is a case of OOC knowledge on the part of the slave - I believe an OOC solution might have been more appropriate - instead of "having fun" by mutilation her character in a way that cannot be undone without basically invalidating that rp.

[Drevan Darkbyrd]

She Metagamed Him not the other way around as I see it she gave up all rights to say whats right or wrong the second she did so. This idea he needs to give her a mulligan is bullshit. Now lets be clear I am not saying he shouldn't tell her what she did wrong if she really didnt know but that doesnt mean we correct OOC No she made the mistake IC it should be handled IC and as she is a slave her rights dont matter because we are talking an ICC for the ICA of saying an assassin's name a universally stupid move so lets not start the Rhetoric about slave's rights again alright she fucked up In character and Paid for it In character was it extreme, perhaps, but such his right as a Free Man to a Slave, her rights as a Person OOC dont come into play. And to be frank I think all this OOC Mulligan crap is just silly sure explain what they did wrong sure help the new people but damn lets not throw away a chance to show some good consequences RP just cause their new, last time I checked being New in Gor didn't save your ass for shit.....unless your Tarl but his the most god modding sombitch I ever met

[Criada Resident]

He stated, she could not know his name IC, so how can you then punish her IC, that would make the metagaming that moment being voided. So anyone who heard her does now know your name. 

[Xaz Elephas]

Where only getting one side here. I would really like to hear her side. Wonder if anyone could invite her to the thread to share her side.

[Xaz Elephas]

I don't get caught up in all this Black Caste not telling there names. I have spoken my name tons of times IC to warriors, Blue Caste, Green Caste... you name it, slaves FW, FM. For me too its a bussiness move. How else will clients defer me from other Killers if they do not know my name which to hire me. Just my thoughts on it.

[Drevan Darkbyrd]

He stated, she could not know his name IC, so how can you then punish her IC, that would make the metagaming that moment being voided. So anyone who heard her does now know your name. 

He is an Assassin, if I remember correctly they are allowed to kill a person that can cause harm to their disguises, I am guessing he would do what I do when I have witnesses and need them gone, buy them or Bury them

[Criada Resident]

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I don't get caught up in all this Black Caste not telling there names. I have spoken my name tons of times IC to warriors, Blue Caste, Green Caste... you name it, slaves FW, FM. For me too its a bussiness move. How else will clients defer me from other Killers if they do not know my name which to hire me. Just my thoughts on it.

Xas!!!!!! Come get a hug  

I can't tell about many, I didn't meet most of the BC who post here, but when I was at the docks I met some less known names (if they were known at all), whispering with deadly chilling voice at me and I thought wtf they did that 15 years ago, who still tells them that's scary? It's not, it was funny those days and it's still funny this days

Drevan: I repeat myself. IC she DIDN'T know his name, so when she spoke it, it was null and void IC, in accepting it, he made his name now known himself. MPOV.

[Raven]

ummm so can someone tell me what is so special about a BC name? I can remember Kuruus giving his namje freely, but it was Tarl in disguise, I can't recall Pa Kur or others hiding their identity. But it is long ago I read the books, so is it in there or just made up?

It's the way I and many others I know like to play it.  Some Assassins are fine with telling everyone their name and letting everyone see their faces.  I don't play it that way but again that's me. 

[Raven]

This is a question for the physicians out there...didn't injuries on Gor heal really quickly?  Like broken bones healing in 3 days or some such nonsense?  So a burned tongue would probably heal in hours then wouldn't it? 

[Criada Resident]

I didn't say that Assassins were special or better than anyone else. 

That's fine, it was played this way 15 years ago and will surely be played still that way in 15 years. Drevan and Miguel  though made it sounds as f it was a special rule. When I recall he using of the term "Killer" it was done when one entered a City, and no one would know who that was like others were called Rarius, Slaver or Physician recognizing them by the color of their Caste.

I know that online Gor can never be played by the books, as we all can read names and know each other after a while, since we travel and are a small group compared to a real world. But that is another topic.

What I do not understand is, that you all make such a great effort to be unknown and then ruin your own roleplay of being hidden and masked with reacting IC on a metagaming OOC.