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« 09. April 2015, 09:41:36 »
Yes, but we all had a moment we started it, but most uf us forget. In modern days most think a RP computer game is real RP, so they have no idea what the pen&paper RPs are. And SL Gor is more a advanced version of them, not one of that "RP" computergames like baldurs gate or what ever.

If a sim doesn't like beginners, it should be said in the rules. But some sims must or we have one day only empty sims. In the old times of SL Gor, I remember that we e.g. asked some questions to see if there is a basic knowledge of Gor. Some sims had basic RP lessons for beginners. And some said a beginner must show in smaller roles what they are able to, instead of been allowed to play more too early. For that a sim nead clear guidelines. If we see one is not able to should send him or her to one of the Gor RP schools we have. E.g. the gorean basic training academy. They will find out that RP is a lot more fun with a good background.
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« 09. April 2015, 11:18:54 »
Yes, but we all had a moment we started it, but most uf us forget. In modern days most think a RP computer game is real RP, so they have no idea what the pen&paper RPs are. And SL Gor is more a advanced version of them, not one of that "RP" computergames like baldurs gate or what ever.

If a sim doesn't like beginners, it should be said in the rules. But some sims must or we have one day only empty sims. In the old times of SL Gor, I remember that we e.g. asked some questions to see if there is a basic knowledge of Gor. Some sims had basic RP lessons for beginners. And some said a beginner must show in smaller roles what they are able to, instead of been allowed to play more too early. For that a sim nead clear guidelines. If we see one is not able to should send him or her to one of the Gor RP schools we have. E.g. the gorean basic training academy. They will find out that RP is a lot more fun with a good background.

I'm not even talking about having a basic knowledge of Gor.  I'm talking about having the basic knowledge of what role-play is, and that is not something that a place like the Gorean Basic Training Academy is going to provide.
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« 09. April 2015, 16:15:18 »
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« 11. April 2015, 10:44:22 »
Is like we use "Herr" in Germany. "Herr" can be used for a master but is used in normal life too as a word of respect. So it depends on situation what the meaning is.

It seems like making such distinctions is either extremely confusing or outright impossible for some players.  I've noticed that a lot of people have trouble understanding the context in which something is said - maybe they only see part of the scene, or maybe they only start paying attention when "Master" is used, and they flip out.
Yea such can be confusing, a German friend (free woman) of me translated the word Meister (as used in guildes for a master-craftsman) and said master to one. She instantly was in trouble.
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« 14. April 2015, 19:26:25 »
A lot of the time, people don't care at all and just do as they please. Free players are also much to blame for making certain behaviors from RP slaves seem okay and the slave player then passes it on to the next sim thinking it's cool. It's a cycle. An example would be the constant public nudity in a southern city even though we know Free Women would not like that and that Free Men generally tried not to offend them. I would like to see more RP with Free Women getting pissy at the nudity and making the slave miserable for it. It's pretty weird going to a Free Women's tea house and seeing Free Women completely ignore that naked female slave dancing right next to her.   Cheesy

I always kept my slaves clothed in cities with lots of Free Women about. During times when I had male slaves, I had Free Person characters coming to mine, going on about my slave impersonating the Free for being covered up. They also insisted the slave be killed for it. I wished I saved the RP for that because my character did not react nicely to them.

Thanks, 8lue8eard, for correcting such behavior in RP and creatively not putting up with it OOC!

That's something i discussed about right yesterday and i do not really understand why so many FWs do not want to play it out.

I told, that if the FWs do not start to roleplay it and object it, there would not be need for the men to do anything as the men usually liked naked sluts Smiley I would only object it and deal with a naked slave when she would come close to my own FC, as i do not want to have her disrespected. It is the women who have to DO in this case. It would be BtB. It would be plausible. Sadly the FWs do nothing but think it is the men who have to do .. really ?

I told that they shouldn't do it alone when being insecure but gather together. Together they have much more force and power. But no .. nothing. It must have to do with the female nature and wanting things to be full of harmony. Makes me mad Cheesy because i would love to see it and would encourage it.

It is not always only the men who have to do. It is the Free teaching the Slaves.

And i too took great care that the clothes of my slaves were appropriate. I would have also told them to seek another owner when they would have ignored in rp that being naked was actually punishment.

I brought a free woman of mine to Vonda some time ago and tried to RP punishing a slave for being a brat in the dining area, which was for FW. She threatened to tell her master and have my FW character collared as punishment for bothering her and that's exactly what she did. Her master complied with her demands, shot down my free woman with another man, stripped her and accused her of being a panther, all because the player of his slave didn't like being smacked and chastised for being a disobedient, disrespectful brat in RP. Another time I tried to punish a slave in another city, as a free woman, and the slave refused and set her meter to afk or ooc. Her FW mistress was completely complicit in this OOC bullshit and it became an OOC drama, all RP ended because slave didn't want consequences and couldn't take them.

I've found that much of the time, as a FW, slaves are not receptive to RP. This is not true all the time but it's true much of the time. Slaves fawn all over me as a free man but play a free woman and they are a whole different animal. Because of things like that happening all too frequently, and people in general ignoring or disrespecting FW in RP, there isn't much interest in FW as a role. It's a real waste of time, IMO. I only speak for myself.
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« 14. April 2015, 21:41:51 »
I have never gotten an issue when my character was a bitch to a slave for no /apparent/ reason. Because the main reason that makes a FW mean to a slave, it's the natural jealousy that a FW feels toward a slave. My emotes reflected this point, my character's inner envy and jealousy felt in presence of a beautiful girl, whose presence was truly enjoyed by men when they beared patiently with FW amde a scene that the player behind the slave enjoyed. It happened to me to command my escort, real or NPC, to cut the slave hair to damage her beauty (following who was the owner, my char could get or not in troubles).
Even if the situation was unfair for the slave, this concealed rivalry made a scene far more interesting than the usual FW bitching made because "It's well know, FW are harsh with slaves". Pity, the FW players tend to forget why exactly FW are mean to slaves and so, don't RP/emote this part.

But when they are quotes in each book which underline the natural jealousy and hatred of the FW toward the slave girl, there, again, in SL Gor, it's the Earthen mentality which takes over the books. Few people, especially women, want their character looking petty and jealous, because they think that it's will make them, the typist, looking petty and jealous. They want to portray a nice woman whose personality is noble and strong. And they say "not all FW were mean in books". Sure, my delicate little princess... Not all... There were /exceptions/ but actually, that exception is fairly common in SL Gor....
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« 18. April 2017, 22:32:33 »
Tal,

In reading this topic and this thread I sort of take exception to the question to begin with.  I am a Slaver and do attempt to teach and train --yes there is a difference in the two.  However, I am drawn back to this quote from the books:

"You have not yet begun to learn what it can be, to be a slave," I said.
 She looked at me, frightened.
 I then snapped the collar about her throat.
 "Do you know, ultimately," I asked, "who will prove to be your one best trainer?"
 "No, Master," she said.
 "You, yourself," I said, "the girl, herself, eager to please, imaginative and intelligent, monitoring her own performances and feelings, striving lovingly to improve and refine them. You yourself will be largely responsible for making yourself the superb slave you will become."
 "Master?" she asked.
 "The collar," I said, touching it, "is put on from without, but what it encircles, the slave, comes from within."
 "Master?" she asked.
 "Slavery," I told her, "true slavery, comes from within, and you, my lovely little red-haired beast, I assure you, as was evidenced by your behavior and performances this night, are a true slave. Do not fight your slavery. Allow it freely and spontaneously, candidly, sweetly and untrammeled, to manifest itself. It is what you are."
 Savages of Gor     Book 17     Page 210

It takes also a great initiative of a slave to want to read, study, and put to use their studies in order to grow.  You can talk till you are blue in the face but unless it's desired, it will fall on deaf ears.  Why has inaccuracies become accepted in Second Life Gor?  It's not because the slaver allow it...Slavers can only enforce and correct what they see themselves.  It si the duty of all Free to correct and guide in the right way--not just the Slavers.  It is the ultimate responsibility of the slave to learn and study the ways of a kajira and not just do what everyone else does...with the excuse--oh that's the way she did it so I did. 

A kajira is her own best trainer.  Bottom line.

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« 21. April 2017, 02:49:28 »
Ashelia, really, I winces when I read a post like the one you wrote.

Because you are assuming that slave players do need to learn, to grow, and must be helped in this by all free. No, sorry. There are no more slave players in Gor who need to learn their role than FW and FM players. The lack of knowledge of Gor, of the environment, when not of the role play etiquette, is well shared as well by slave players as free players.

It's not the duty of a role player to teach a role to another player. We are adults. I can help those new to Gor to find the resources they need, I even wrote a complete set of guidelines for a sim where I played, but I'm not a mentor and nobody should be expected to be it.

A slaver a  free can correct and discipline my character, clearly. But be sure that all the faults my character will make, will be done on purpose. the typist being perfectly aware of her character's ignorance (RPing them on purpose, as I said). But OOCly, even if I were not familiar with this RP environment, I would take it pretty bad to be corrected as a slave... Corrected by a role player helping another role player, yes. But OOCly as a slave by a free... Eh, fuck, no. And I speak as well for those who pretend to teach you IC when they obviously correct you OOCly...

All role players, all OOC equal and stop assuming that slave players are mostly noobs... A slave training is a story, it should never be a way to teach the role, never.
And many of those who play a free should as well open some books and learn their role....

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« 24. May 2017, 22:44:50 »
It's been my experience that the majority of slave roleplayers know the lore better than most of the Free Men playing in SL Gor.  90% of the onlinisms and inaccuracies I witness are passed along by Free Men players that are reciting stuff from the old lifestyle sims.  With FW, it's a coin toss... but the ones that play 'petty and mean' generally know their shit better than the kindly 'tea and biscuits' kind of FW roleplayers.
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« 26. May 2017, 06:58:43 »
It's been my experience that the majority of slave roleplayers know the lore better than most of the Free Men playing in SL Gor.  90% of the onlinisms and inaccuracies I witness are passed along by Free Men players that are reciting stuff from the old lifestyle sims.  With FW, it's a coin toss... but the ones that play 'petty and mean' generally know their shit better than the kindly 'tea and biscuits' kind of FW roleplayers.

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« 26. May 2017, 07:18:50 »
It's been my experience that the majority of slave roleplayers know the lore better than most of the Free Men playing in SL Gor.  90% of the onlinisms and inaccuracies I witness are passed along by Free Men players that are reciting stuff from the old lifestyle sims.  With FW, it's a coin toss... but the ones that play 'petty and mean' generally know their shit better than the kindly 'tea and biscuits' kind of FW roleplayers.
Slave players always have known the books better then the majority of the free. Only issue I have that most slaves I know, don't separate IC and OOC, they are always slave. But thats another thread I would say.
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