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« 09. April 2010, 16:54:23 »
punches a couple small spy holes in his hood, `moooos` and hefts his bullocks (i am sure thats how you spell it , right ?) like the top steer he is! and shouts "ready,able and willing!"
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« 09. April 2010, 19:24:17 »
if your able through that chastity belt adira, your a clever slave..*winks* Grin

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« 09. April 2010, 20:07:39 »
ahhhhh.....bu**er , forgot about that little fly in the ointment, Mistress!
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« 09. April 2010, 23:33:21 »
*chuckles softly* And wouldn't that get all of us in trouble with your Mistress too Adira?
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« 10. April 2010, 00:43:33 »
Ok what about....


Assassin ----Breeding Slave
            Child


Since an assassin would not care what happen to the child.  Grin
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« 10. April 2010, 00:46:50 »
Ok what about....


Assassin ----Breeding Slave
            Child


Since an assassin would not care what happen to the child.  Grin

chuckles can just see a mini Xaz running around in black romper suits with a dagger attached to his leg.
Shuders at the thought lol
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« 10. April 2010, 07:43:05 »
I would think that as careful and meticulous as assassins are, that they wouldn't accidentally impregnate a slave. Grin
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« 10. April 2010, 09:32:17 »
FM (be it Assasin, Smithy or Hup the Fool) + slave to breed a no no, or whimsically impregnating a no, no, however I am sure accidents have happened ^^

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« 10. April 2010, 10:04:36 »
* Dracosilverwing Allen sees His caste brought into this argument and decides to wait in the FW's bath naked with a smile
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« 10. April 2010, 13:27:07 »
I'm at work right now so forgive me for a lack of names but I shall gie examples there are a few references from the books the first being priest kings that is to say the third book. The young girl from treve the first mention of treve intact is a slave to priest kings she is beautiful at it mentions her mother was a bred slave her father a physician fell in love with her and freed her to companion and have the girl with her.
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« 10. April 2010, 13:29:37 »
In Assassins of Gor, a slave named Sura (very beautiful one at that)was the one responsible for training all the female slaves on proper serves and the like and was often entrusted with tools such as slave goads and generally behaved very much like a freewoman around them. Her owner, Cernus, also the head of the house and a very prominant slaver in Ar, decided to remind her of her position. She was hooded, tied and then for most part of the free's amusement, allowed to be used by Hup the fool as an act of disgrace to her. The result of the Offspring they produced was a male child who by a very young age was already a Kaissa champion of the city of Ar. The Child did have a limp, a trait he picked up by his deformed father.

Sura loved Kaissa but was never permitted to play because she was both a female and a slave. But her skill in the game was noted when she beat Tarl Calbot in a friendly match in her room. Hup as it turns out later was probably the best Kaissa player in all of Gor as the blind player was quoted in saying "Hup can play among Priest Kings"

Hup as you all know is a beggar, just barely a step up from being a slave himself. He is however a free man. I would think that Slaves and Free Men would mate and produce offspring as John Norman had many times contradicted gorean customs in several of his books. There is always an exception somewhere with a strong argument. Is this particular case the norm? No. But the circumstances suggest a strong punishment for the slave and a brief moment of benefit for a beggar who is often despised, chastised and in many cases beaten.
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« 10. April 2010, 13:48:41 »
Also in mention of slave babies. Telima from ....book before slavegirl and after assasins was a slave since birth as a child she wore a small bracelet but was clothed and treated like A normal child able to explore eat have a room etc it is only when she came of age that she was stripped branded and collared. Samos her master had raised her almost like his own and did infact arrange for her to escape
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« 16. February 2012, 03:18:11 »
Sometimes a girl, winning love, is freed, perhaps to bear the children of a former master.
Beasts of Gor   Book 12   Page 235
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« 16. February 2012, 12:18:37 »
Im sure that it happened a lot but me nope I do not want to be anyone's breeding slave ,, waddling around like a duck for the time it takes then for the child to be taken away and either raised by its father or some other family ,, na let the others have that supposedly romantic side of it .I'll stick to what I do
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« 16. February 2012, 18:33:42 »
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Whereas caste membership is commonly connected with the practice of an occupation, such as agriculture, or commerce, or war, there can be, of course, caste members who are not engaged in caste work and individuals who do certain forms of work who are not members of that caste commonly associated with such work. Caste, commonly, though not invariably. is a matter of birth. One may, too, be received into a caste by investment. Normally mating takes place among caste members, but if the mating is of mixed caste, the woman may elect to retain caste, which is commonly done, or be received into the caste of the male companion. Caste membership of the children born of such a union is a function of the caste of the father." --"Slave Girl of Gor" page 212-213 

In your quote above, you said
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as you can see from this, a child born of mixed Caste falls naturally within the mothers Caste unless she choses otherwise,
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Please re-read the quote: It states that when a woman companions she can retain HER caste. IE: a physician may choose to practice her trade while her FC might be a Warrior. But that any children they have WILL belong to the warrior caste/the caste of her father. Remember on Gor, women seldom every practiced their Caste, most especially if they were of high caste. (physician's being an exception, as long as they have a couple of kids first).

I'm rather strongly of the mind that FM do not have children with their slaves. That is a strong sentiment coming from me, because I can't stand stating absolutes about Gor, since time and cultures and individual city customs varied immensely. We might certainly string together a list of quotes that demonstrate that slaves bore children that we know remained free. But I firmly believe that as with many other similar "heated" topics this one is also about context, and appreciating the general Gorean mindset. About doing more then just quoting, and rather really understanding the entire scene, as Koh demonstrated without quotes the little known story of Sura and Hup the fool on one fateful Kajuralia.

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The youth of Tharna is usually bred from women temporarily freed for purposes of their conception, then reenslaved. In Tharnan law a person conceived by a free person on a free person is considered to be a free person, even if they are later carried and borne by a slave. In many other cities this is different, the usual case being that the offspring of a slave is a slave, and belongs to the mother's owner.
---Vagabonds of Gor, Ch 26

Sadly this quote is used often to legitimize the "Master breeds with his slave, frees her, she has his baby, and then he reenslaves her." But this quote speaks of a time post revolution in Tharna where nearly the ENTIRE female population is slave. So apart from the end of this quote where they explain how in many other cities offspring of a slave is slave, this is a quote for a very specific context.

All in all, it helps to keep in mind that the average gorean would never want his child to be born of a slave. That is the entire purpose of a FW's existance. (generalization there too) to be the child bearers of Gor, because slaves are animals, free women are the worthy vessels for the seed of the virile free man.

But just because we are tossing about a few quotes, here's one I found that made me smile and growl at the same time:

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An interesting feature of the block is that about it, on the semi-circular side facing the crowd, tall and serene, carved in white-painted wood, evenly spaced, are the figures of nine slave girls. They represent, supposedly, the first nine girls taken, thousands of years ago, by the men of a small village, called Ar. In the carving it may be seen that the throats of the girls are encircled by ropelike collars, presumably woven of some vegetable substance. It is said that at that time the men of Ar were not familiar with the working of iron. It is also said the girls were forced to breed mighty sons for their captors.
Slave Girl of Gor   Book 11   Page 428

A few years back it seemed the norm to have pregnant talking bellied kneeling kajirae who were essentially love pets to their owners. These all too common sights have ruined me entirely for pregnant slaves roles in Gor. I have since seen a few rather decent exceptions to the pregnant love slave brat, and I am of the mindset that anyone who has a good grasp on the novels will appreciate all the different challenges a pregnant slave would face. And the ridicule the man would face as well. And all the power to them if this is of interest to them.

Imagine the FW if they found out? Imagine if the free companion did! Imagine how other slaves would have faced this anomaly? Imagine how teased the man would be by his fellah's?

In summary, breeding with your slave for the purpose to produce your heirs is very much an exception, not the rule. And as long the the RP recognizes that, and accepts that not all other characters are going to think its "awe sooo sweet!" then I'll just grin and bear it.

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