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« 19. January 2011, 09:43:48 »
I am trying to get to the bottom of a "By The Book" set of Warrior Codes. OK, a lot in SL-Gor quote and live by the 5 Maxims and 100 Aphorisms. However, many others challenge these saying they are not supported by book quotes, in many cases they are inferences.

So, he says, slapping his gauntlet down on the table....

Can someone actually support all 5 Maxims and 100 Aphorisms with book quotes....

OR... can someone come up with a set of warrior codes that ARE supported by book quotes.

I have read insufficient books, and am not inclined that way sufficiently to do such research myself, sorry!

The other side of this slippery coin is "how much do the warrior codes apply WITHIN the caste, and what of them can be applied to the citizenry of Gor as a whole and used instead of City/Merchant Laws to resolve situations"
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« 19. January 2011, 12:41:32 »
I've spend quite a while on researching this a long time ago and with the aid of several people compiled this list of "codes" for Trevan Warriors. Which as we found and concluded seemed to have a slightly different approach to the Codes (due to them also being raiders, looters and mercenaries etc.)

Quote
You hold in your hands the writings of the Trevan 
Warrior Codes, "something which, if taken 
literally would encourage it's believers to take 
not the slightest or most sane precaution for his 
safety." None but Warriors would understand. – 
Tarnsman of Gor chapter 3.

Warrior of Treve, do not extend these codes too 
much to those who do not share your Home Stone. 
For they are not as mighty as the Trevan Warriors, 
and by excluding them from our codes, we shall 
intimidate and keep power over them. - Trevan 
Ethos.

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1. "Loyalty to the Ubar and the Home Stone." – 
Tarnsman of Gor chapter 3.

2. "Accept or slay those women who sumbit to you." 
"Unless the woman is of Trevan blood, the refusal 
of her submittance will be answered with a stigma 
of dishonor - but still free." - Players of Gor, 
page 21 & Tarnsman of Gor, chapter 8.

3. "If you want something of another man, 
challenge him for it by the weapon of his choice." 
– Tarnsman of Gor chapter 9.

4. "You are permitted to kill those, who lift 
their weapons in threat or violence towards you." 
– Outlaw of Gor, chapter 1

5. "The only death fit for a man is that in 
battle." – Priest Kings of Gor, chapter 1

6. "It's recommended to regard slave-girls as 
rightless animals, no more than subject beasts." – 
Priest Kings of Gor, chapter, 6

7. "A Warrior's companion is peril and steel." – 
Priest Kings of Gor, chapter 34.

8. "Be strong and do as you will. The swords of 
others will set you your limits." - Marauders of 
Gor, chapter 1

9. "Steel is the coinage of the Warrior." - 
Marauders of Gor, chapter 1

10. "Warriors shall not use poison." – 
Marauders of Gor, chapter 1

11. "Warriors shall keep their codes" - Beasts of 
Gor page 561.

12. "Warriors shall not talk to slaves of the 
codes." - Beasts of Gor page 561.

13. "Warriors shall die in battle." - Beasts of Gor 
page 560.

14. "Honor has many voices and many songs." - 
Witness of Gor, page 1100

15. "He who cannot think is not a man. Yet 
neither, too, is he who can only 
think." - Vagabonds of Gor, chapter 3.

16. Know that those Warriors not of Treve might 
expect you to show mercy upon their supposed 
"shared Home Stone called 'battle.'" Warriors of 
Treve know no mercy. - Renegades of Gor, chapter 
20 & Captive of Gor, p 362 & Spartan Ethos


17. Know that those men not of Treve might expect 
you, Warrior, to show mercy when they are unarmed.
Warriors of Treve know no mercy. – Bloodbrothers 
of Gor, page 756. & Captive of Gor, p 362 & 
Spartan Ethos

18. "The slave is a joy and convenience to the 
Warrior." – Magicians of Gor, chapter  19.

19. "Honor, has many voices, and many songs." 
(Said when a Trevan Warrior preferred to disobey 
his Ubar or superiours) - Witness of Gor, page 
1100

20. "The only honourable reply to a challenge" of 
fellow Trevans "is to accept it promptly.” -
Tarnsman of Gor, chapter 6. & Trevan Ethos
(( This quote does -NOT- refer to duels. If you find a Warrior
offends your honor, just draw your blade and take him down.
This quote refers to 'challenges' in general - just to be a
healthy man and to understand the pleasure of 'friendly' competition ))

21. "Warriors have grit and courage." - Tribesmen 
of Gor, page 376.
 
22. "You see a fight you want, you take it."
"You see a woman you like, you take her."
You see something you want, you take it.
For you are a "Warrior" of Treve. - Beasts of Gor, 
page 52.

23. "Let each man choose his own treasures. The 
cynical, mercantile mind will never understand the 
mind of the soldier." Nor will other castes ever 
understand the mind of a Warrior. Nor will other 
cities ever understand the mind of a Trevan.  - 
Explorers of Gor, page 365. & Trevan Ethos

24. "Not everyone who is of the Warriors, knows 
that he is of the Warriors. By the mixing of blood 
and raping of conquered maids, the Caste will 
choose you." –  Rogue of Gor, page 471.

25. Do not fear to look upon the hunter and the 
killer in yourself. "Causes exist, that men may 
fight." - Guardsman of Gor, page 19.

26. "The sword must drink until it's thirst is 
satisfied." - Guardsman of Gor, page 20.

27. "It is not the uniform which makes the 
warrior" -  Magicians of gor, chapter 8.

28. "Maintain discipline by the blade." - Beasts 
of Gor, page 174

29. "Warrior, do not forswear your pledge" of 
steel and codes. - Outlaw of Gor, chapter 10.

30. "Warrior, your sword is bound in service to 
your superiors." - Outlaw of Gor, chapter 25.

31. "Warrior, know your codes." - Nomads of Gor, 
page 479.

32. "One who has shed your blood, or whose blood 
you have shed, becomes your sword brother, unless 
you formally repudiate the blood on your weapons."
As Trevan, be weary and suspicious about whom you 
share this honor with, few from outside our Home 
Stone, will ascend to the might and glory of a 
Trevan Warrior. - Tarnsman of Gor, chapter 10 & 
Trevan Ethos.

33. "Kill honorably and swiftly." - Nomads of Gor, 
chapter 16.

34. "Lift your sword in respect, the salute of a 
Gorean Warrior." - Beasts of Gor, page 592.

35. Know those Warriors that are not of Treve 
might try to lift their swords in salute to 
surrender or pay tribute. - Renegades of Gor, 
chapter 19.

36. "There is a time and a place for speaking, as 
there is a time and a place for steel." - 
Slavegirl of Gor, page 461.

37. "Never be weak in the way of things you love." 
- Tarnsman of Gor chapter 17.

38. “Do not fear your sentiments of tears. The 
Warrior is a man of deep passions, and emotion. 
Many men cannot even understand his depths. Do not 
fear your currents and your powers. In the soldier 
are flowers and storms. Each is a part of him, and 
each is real. Accept both. Deny neither.”  - 
Guardsman of Gor, page 365.

39. "Better to take the field with laughter, with 
a joke, with a light heart, with a buoyant heart, 
or to go forward with sterness, or in fury, or 
with hatred, or defiance, or calculation, but 
never with self-pity, never with sadness. Never 
such things, NEVER them! The Warrior does not kill 
himself or aid others in the doing of it." - 
Vagabonds of Gor, chapter 46.

40. Warrior, gold shall not lead you away from your codes. - Vagabonds of 
Gor, chapter 49.

41. Trevan Warrior, "live by rapine and plunder. 
Be proud, ruthless, fierce, brave and be fond of 
danger and women." - Raiders of Gor, p 271 & 
Priest-Kings of Gor, p 60

42. Trevan Warrior, pick your battles wisely and 
do not unnecessarily push pursuit. - Captive of 
Gor, pp 190

43. Trevan Warrior, enslave or kill those who 
trespass upon your Home Stone. And never bring a 
stranger to your city unhooded or unbound. -
Captive of Gor, p 191

44. Trevan Warrior, keep your 
slave-girls in the deepest of bondage, and
enjoy their closeness. - Captive of 
Gor, p 274

45. Trevan Warrior, keep those women you love in 
chain and collar. - Hunters of Gor, p 9

46. Trevan Warrior, respect the pride and beauty 
of your Free Women. Never subject them to the same 
supression and concealment of other cities. Never 
let them be found enslaved by others or on an 
auction block. - Priest-Kings of Gor, p 61.

47. "Every man is an Ubar within the steel of his 
sword." — Marauders of Gor, page 10.

48. "The Warrior Codes are nothing and 
everything." - Beasts of Gor, page 340

49. Trevan Warrior, never surrender in battle, for 
it will be treason to your Home Stone and it's 
decline. - Trevan Ethos

50. Hold deep suspicion of strangers and 
outsiders. Lend your sword only to them when paid 
handsomely. - Trevan Ethos

(...)

97. “Invisible but more beautiful than diamonds.”
“That which is silent but deafens thunder.”
“The same,as that which depresses no scale but is 
weightier than gold.”
“Honor” – Vagabonds of Gor, chapter 28.

***

There are more words and text within these Trevan 
Warrior Codes. Yet few stand out as clearly as the 
ones you've just read.

Never forget, you're a Trevan. Supress and 
control the rest of Gor and their inferior ways.



----- Extra note: These codes are everything and nothing for a Warrior.
What does this mean? No Warrior is expected to follow these codes literally and rigorously.
Honor has many voices and many songs. Just know that within these codes you can find your honor, as a Warrior.
Even if sometimes you've to disregard them for the 'greater' honor in general or because of personal believes and your
own individuality, as what you might find honorable or not.
Literal quotations are between parantheses ("") - Others are paraphrased from out of the books, often done so to reflect the Trevan ethos.



Written by Anarch Allegiere,
Version: 1.05

If you would leave out the few Trevan additions or adjust them to the common practices you should have a perfectly fine set of Codes for 'general Gor'. Do note that every Warrior is pretty much still left free in how he applies the codes. Some might be more 'fundamentalistic' about it than others.

The following webpage is also a very important piece of information: http://redcaste.wordpress.com/%ce%bcisconceptions/


As for laws...

The laws of Gor rarely conflict with the Caste Codes. The laws are usually just made to fill the holes and the codes suggest a set of ethics on which the laws themselves don't give an answer. However I do understand that if a Magistrate sees that a man or woman violated the law, because it was in accordance to their Caste Codes he normally would not wish to punish them for it. Gor was a society of honor and power, not one of law and equality. In my understanding.


The 5 Maxims and 100 Aphorisms are the biggest onlineism ever made...

However another thing to consider is that this is "SL Gor" and that not everything can be applied as literaly as it was in the books. For example in the books Warriors had the right to challenge eachother over the ownership of slaves, by duels. (It was the only regulated duel by the Codes which Warriors were -forced- to accept.) But if a guy goes around challenging -everyone- for their slaves you'll soon find yourself in OOC drama hell. Also because perhaps the slave and their Warrior have OOC connections and reasons to enjoy RP with eachother instead of with others.


Edit: Not gonna say that I'm completely correct on all my statements, but I've spent quite a while researching them so if people can give arguments as why something specific I said is questionable, then you're free to let me know. I don't know everything!
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« 19. January 2011, 16:35:44 »
Tal Anarch

That's the most useful input I've seen so far on this subject (OK, you are the first here, but I have asked elsewhere).

However, I do not entirely agree with the codes not conflicting with City Laws. A warrior challenges a non-warrior of his own Home Stone for something (who may have a sword, but it is not too good at using it) and kills him in the process. An easy way to go around sweeping up all the scribe's, builder's and physician's slaves, eh? Surely, in those circumstances, he should be held for murder of a Free, in my opinion.
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« 19. January 2011, 16:42:02 »
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« 19. January 2011, 16:58:48 »
Tal Anarch

However, I do not entirely agree with the codes not conflicting with City Laws. A warrior challenges a non-warrior of his own Home Stone for something (who may have a sword, but it is not too good at using it) and kills him in the process. An easy way to go around sweeping up all the scribe's, builder's and physician's slaves, eh? Surely, in those circumstances, he should be held for murder of a Free, in my opinion.

Misconceptions of the Red Caste:
X. Many many people tend to believe that Warriors would resolve all their disputes with challenges, acting like medieval barons who would argue in a theater and then would challenge each other to a duel with pistols, walking ten steps apart from each other and then turning and shooting. This assumption is false. For the members of the Red Caste, the only institutionalized, official form of challenge, was the slave girl challenge, kajira kanjeline. The moment a Warrior feels insulted, he draws his sword, all the rest is about how the aristocrats handled their differences in Medieval Europe and they don’t exist in the Gorean books.


Warriors can only challenge other Warriors for duels - and they only have to forcefully accept when it's about the property of slaves - as regulated by the Warrior Codes, and then also by the choice of weapon of the person being challenged. (I remember someone choosing Kaissa as the weapon of the duel) All other challenges can be refused without a loss of honor. It would rather be considered petty when a Warrior tries to duel for every single issue he comes up with... from my understanding of the codes and the books.

It is true that indeed sometimes the codes conflict with the laws... but a city normally would be wise enough not to have laws that surpresses the codes of it's castes. Gor was not a society of equality, different castes had different rights, within their caste codes.
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« 19. January 2011, 17:04:05 »
We had this talk jet, I will say the Codes Anarch posted is okay and could work, But yes we have to see and Make sure the warriors dont just throw out 'its a matter of our codes' because That is bull, I know the
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47. "Every man is an Ubar within the steel of his  sword." — Marauders of Gor, page 10.
But one I like to lash back out is 'even an Ubar shall follow the laws of His cit, for if not how can He expect His citizens t do so'
Remember we are rping from books, books that isnt perfect, even some of the codes below seems to be contradictions, Use them as a line, But not as a fact at All times, Laws are Laws even for a warrior, if not then why borther have them or the legal system. Undecided
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We had this talk jet, I will say the Codes Anarch posted is okay and could work, But yes we have to see and Make sure the warriors dont just throw out 'its a matter of our codes' because That is bull, I know the
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47. "Every man is an Ubar within the steel of his  sword." — Marauders of Gor, page 10.
But one I like to lash back out is 'even an Ubar shall follow the laws of His cit, for if not how can He expect His citizens t do so'
Remember we are rping from books, books that isnt perfect, even some of the codes below seems to be contradictions, Use them as a line, But not as a fact at All times, Laws are Laws even for a warrior, if not then why borther have them or the legal system. Undecided

Part of the problem, or perhaps the majority of the problem, is that the players operating Warrior Characters don't really grasp the role that well. They know one or two quotes and base their entire RP on those elements, which in turn makes them seem like singled-minded, moronic, jerks.

I suspect if more played the honorable Warrior, and by that I mean such basics as keeping your allegiances, keeping your word, remaining honest, etc, there would be very little friction.  Too many I see, are preoccupied with sex/Cyber RP, or swaggering around bragging and puffing up cyber-egos, hoping all other characters and players will be in awe of them, and swoon at their coolness.

The "Codes" - which seem to be a hodgepodge of Bushido, Feudal Chivalry, etc - should be far more positive in roleplay than negative. 

I try to apply this to Ivan, but it is an uphill battle, largely because most times I feel alone in this portrayal of ethics and honor.
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« 19. January 2011, 18:39:22 »
Part of the problem, or perhaps the majority of the problem, is that the players operating Warrior Characters don't really grasp the role that well. They know one or two quotes and base their entire RP on those elements, which in turn makes them seem like singled-minded, moronic, jerks.

I suspect if more played the honorable Warrior, and by that I mean such basics as keeping your allegiances, keeping your word, remaining honest, etc, there would be very little friction.  Too many I see, are preoccupied with sex/Cyber RP, or swaggering around bragging and puffing up cyber-egos, hoping all other characters and players will be in awe of them, and swoon at their coolness.

The "Codes" - which seem to be a hodgepodge of Bushido, Feudal Chivalry, etc - should be far more positive in roleplay than negative. 

I try to apply this to Ivan, but it is an uphill battle, largely because most times I feel alone in this portrayal of ethics and honor.


Being honorable is always an uphill battle - people who choose to do the right thing regardless of the consequences will nearly always stand alone.  It's pretty lonely up on that hill!  But, then, you have to ask yourself why you persist - and given how lonely it is up there on that hill, it can't be because of adulation or whatnot.  Has to be for yourself. Smiley

As far as the rest goes, yes, many people who play warriors (or, hell, any other Caste!) have not read many, if any, books and really don't understand what they are reaching for.  More than a few are just pew pewers who enjoy wearing good-looking clothing and having some fun cyber sex on the side.   Roll Eyes
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« 19. January 2011, 18:52:20 »

Warriors can only challenge other Warriors for duels - and they only have to forcefully accept when it's about the property of slaves - as regulated by the Warrior Codes, and then also by the choice of weapon of the person being challenged.

I remember once expecting to be challenged by a Scarlet in "old" Teslit for a slave I had taken from another city. I heard that a certain Scarlet had his eye on her.  I was not sure if he knew I was a Scribe so I was a bit worried about either losing my slave or losing face if it came down to his steel vs. mine.

I quietly got the word out that if he challenged me I would choose a spelling contest.  Whether it worked or not...he never challenged me.  hehehehe
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« 19. January 2011, 19:05:36 »
Part of the problem, or perhaps the majority of the problem, is that the players operating Warrior Characters don't really grasp the role that well. They know one or two quotes and base their entire RP on those elements, which in turn makes them seem like singled-minded, moronic, jerks.

I suspect if more played the honorable Warrior, and by that I mean such basics as keeping your allegiances, keeping your word, remaining honest, etc, there would be very little friction.  Too many I see, are preoccupied with sex/Cyber RP, or swaggering around bragging and puffing up cyber-egos, hoping all other characters and players will be in awe of them, and swoon at their coolness.

The "Codes" - which seem to be a hodgepodge of Bushido, Feudal Chivalry, etc - should be far more positive in roleplay than negative. 

I try to apply this to Ivan, but it is an uphill battle, largely because most times I feel alone in this portrayal of ethics and honor.


I alwys tried to play the honorable warrior, not carring too much about the ego or showing off bit.  I was also not really into the "dark" side as some warriors like to play it.   I have heard many, many guys saying that playing the good guy was just too boring, but I never felt that way.  It's all in what you want to make of it.  I wish more guys would follow the codes closer, it would make it much more fun in my opinion.
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« 19. January 2011, 19:16:44 »
I quietly got the word out that if he challenged me I would choose a spelling contest.  Whether it worked or not...he never challenged me.  hehehehe

I was once challenged on my alt, who was a disgraced warrior that abandoned the codes... I chose the weapon "wit".  He got upset because he couldn't kill me with Wit, and i replied with something like..., "no, but you can wound and scar deeply, and longer lasting that a sword."

Codes Need to be studied and interpreted but the Warrior, they are not meant to be the same to every single one of us.  They are stones along a path, which you follow, but what you see when you walk that path is different to everyone who walks it. 

Wow, doesn't that sound pretentious?

Every Character IS different.  Cal, who has Lost his whole Family and village, looks upon his codes as teaching him to protect his people and city.  My Alt, who was Cal's younger brother, and often lived in his shadow, saw them as barriers, Preventing him from acting in the best interest of his caste.  I have seen others who look at them as Permission to do pretty much what ever they please, because they know how to use a sword.  These are just examples of what you can get from reading them and interpreting them. 
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« 19. January 2011, 19:28:36 »
Pax is fare from boring and one of my favourite warriors, one you CAN trust!!
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« 19. January 2011, 19:31:13 »
Pax is fare from boring and one of my favourite warriors, one you CAN trust!!

Well, he needs to come back from his vacation!  The only time I've gotten to see him is when he was an injured prisoner in Tarnwald.  Cheesy
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« 19. January 2011, 19:45:33 »
I always more felt like everyone wanted to RP the honorable / good-hearted Warrior instead.

Few actually RPed the more brutal, 'only'-caring for battle kind of Warriors that were regulary portrayed in the books. So I've always started out trying to RP Anarch just as that, especially when he was a mercenary... And I've gotten alot of flack for it OOC - even if all the RP I did with the people involved was ... approved and wanted by the people who I did it with.

I'm actually doing a bit of a 'warped' timeline thing with Anarch now... after he was made First-Sword and Captain and now Commander... And with time and experience he has become calmer. It's also sort of due to better understanding of people in SL Gor itself that I've changed my approach a bit - altho it never has been my intention to be anything but IC with Anarch ... even if I've stepped on some people's toes OOCly somehow.

He still has his brutal edge tho... but it's not as careless anymore as it once was. It's alot more calculated now. But aye, every man can interpret the Codes for himself.

I'm actually quite proud so far... Had quite a few people tell me now how cunning, brutal and dangerous Anarch is the past week!

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« 19. January 2011, 20:05:19 »
Personally, Anarch, I think you're plenty brutal.  Smiley 

But, of course, OOC I've never, ever had a problem with you.  You've always been on the up and up and not at all a jerk.  This, btw, is why I <3 the Treve guys - they are all absolutely awesome OOCly even if I'm scared of them ICly!

I like to see really brutal, kind of scary warriors, but who also abide by a rigid code of honor.  I think that everyone would agree that Rask of Treve in the books was a brutal, scary warrior, but his code of honor was absolutely unshakable (which, I think, is why so many women love that character).
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